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National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:58 pm

Exactly how much power do these guys have? Can they arrest or detain you? Take your film? I know they will try, but legally, do you HAVE to do what the say?
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RE: National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Mon Jan 14, 2002 11:06 pm

I've seen them take film before because the security gate was about 150 feet in the background.
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RE: National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Tue Jan 15, 2002 3:45 am

...while I've seen two national guardsmen at LGA posing for a New York Post photographer about that distance from a security checkpoint (during October - the weekend when the National Guard were put on duty at New York's airports). Go figure.
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RE: National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Tue Jan 15, 2002 4:32 am

I dunno how much power they have, but I do know they think too much of themselves just standing around and treating passengers without respsect. They can be there fine. But treat passengers with respect and dignity. 99% of us are honest travelers just trying to get from point A to point B. It's that 1% of people who ruin it for all of us.

As far as I am concerned, I don't feel any more safe in the airport with them there. I hope an NG or MP reads this.
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RE: National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Tue Jan 15, 2002 4:54 am

i don't know how much power they have....but it is certainly intimidating to have National Guard dudes there with m-16s around their shoulder...

fortunately, the one NG that came up to me in ATL and got all up in my face about taking pics didn't have a rifle with him...he was all concerned that i was taking pictures of 'people' and stuff on the ramp or whatever....i was just taking pictures of planes so it was no problem then, when earlier it was "FAA rules that picture taking of airplanes is not allowed", according to a *highly informed* gate agent...the airline of which will remain unmentioned...::cough::ASA!!::cough::  Wink/being sarcastic

so, i'm not sure how much power the NG's have, but i remember when Chris Weldy had his equipment confiscated at ORD by the the po po's...(a.k.a. police)
so i wouldn't want to test the power of the NG's, especially if they have a rifle in their hands  Wow!

i hope we all can fight this...it's gone far enough...i know that i am willing, if i think it is for the good of us photographers, to get arrested so i can make a big deal about the injustices going on...because the reason why it is continuing is because no one knows about it but us..i know that i am ready to fight for my hobby...well..it's more than just a hobby....this is my PASSION...

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RE: National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Wed Jan 16, 2002 10:08 pm

The gate agent was probably correct from a certain point of view. Most airport bye laws prohibit cameras on the ramps probably only to keep the workers mind on work and not getting quality ramp shots!!

Over in England the US tourism industry is spending millions on advertising to try and get visitors back. The attitude problem the staff are displaying will soon put them off. It's much cheaper for me to go to Amsterdam or Frankfurt to get good shots than to come to the US and get abused.
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RE: National Guardsmen-How Much Power?

Thu Jan 17, 2002 10:49 am

When I was at ORD in mid-July I was taking shots of a VS 747-200 and Chicago Police drives up in a Crown Vic. I said that i was taking pix of that VS there and they said fine, they even offered me a ride to a restricted area so i could take better photos. Can u imagine this taking place at ORD? Now if they saw you i wouldnt be surprised if they threw you onto a fence and cuffed you. Crazy poos!

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