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.. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 10:22 pm

I have just read the topic of EGGD about the younger generation. I am very glad to meet more and more young people on A.N. You're welcome!
But where are all the photographers with 40 years and more? Looking through the photo-database you can find quiet a lot of shots taken many years back.
Are the photographers of these photos also present in this forum ? Come on and give a short message to show that the 'elderly' generation is active too! Myself, I count 43 years and I feel to be in the best age (as always before - not 'old' at all)

regards, Eduard
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:00 pm

I guess I fall into the elderly group at a ripe old 42 - as it happens, I just uploaded the first airplane picture I ever took (on a holdiday shortly after I'd taken up photography)


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I think it's the only shot that was worth keeping or survived that roll of film - I think it was my 2nd slide film ever, and in those days if I could afford 5 slide films a year I was lucky ... lots of B&W though!

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:20 pm

This forum is getting very agist...

I'm neither a younger generation, nor an elderly generation - fortunately Eduard classed elderly as over 40! Big grin

So where does that leave me?  Nuts

Andy

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:24 pm

Colin:

GLA was my local patch when I was a young spotter in the 1970's.
How come you managed an LH piggie shot? They were very very rare into GLA away back then. In fact, I don't think I ever logged one at GLA!

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:37 pm

40 sounds relatively young, although I can still remember it! When I started shooting slides (1969) even imagining airliners.net would have been almost impossible. In the U.S., with the exception of one year in the 1970s, we didn't even have a good airline enthusiast magazine until the late 1980s. When I made my first trip to the U.K. in 1972, it was a revelation to see the crowds of spotters, although there didn't seem to be many photographers in the crowd. On the other hand, in addition to Eduard's LH 737, there were lots of now "exotic" items to be seen, including Tridents, Vanguards, VC-10s, etc. I'll try to get some on a.net in due course!
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:38 pm

Gerry - don't really have any details of the flight etc. - just happened to be in Glasgow on holiday and it flew by as I was taking picture of something un-aircraft related (which completely slips my mind now - it's the old age you know). I think there's a gap in the order of 5 years before aircraft crop up in my collection again.

Although I've been interested in aircraft since childhood, circumstances and geography only made aircraft photography a real hobby in the last 8 years or so.

Andy - my theory on aging is that medical science will advance at sufficient rate so that I will remain middle aged indefinitely  Smile - that is of course, if I ever grow up in the first place.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Mon Jan 21, 2002 11:49 pm

The reference should have been to Colin's LH737; sorry about the mixup (senior moment??)
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:26 am

Boy! Am I young, with my 36 years!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

But, on the contrary to many here, I started taking aviation pics only some 4 or 5 years ago. It would certainly be nice to look at older, self made pics.

Gerardo

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:17 am

I took my first airplane photos in 1969, two photos taken at Zurich airport.

It got serious in 1977 when a friend asked me to take a photo of the Cubana DC-8 coming to Montreal. Since that year, it became one of my hobbies.

I am 51 now and still taking aircraft photos.

Regards,

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:29 pm

Colin,
Had to hobble over here to the keyboard with my cane and take a good look at that first shot of yours. Where the heck are the props buddy?

I took my first shot in 1958 as a school kid. Will eventually try to upload it.

 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:09 pm

hi all,
guess I have to count myself to this illustrious crowd as well - even I don't really consider myself as old yet (must be a common "problem"). started taking pics around '79 with the first results which I am still able to look at without frowning coming up in '81. - ah yes, I am i 37 now.
I really like Colin's theory about medical science and growing up..  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:40 pm

I took my first airliner picture in 1967 with a Kodak Instamatic camera and it is posted on airliners.net! During the early 1970's I was a constant visitor to both LGA and JFK since I lived a very short distance from both. I was looking for prop action, of which there was very little, and had to settle for "boring" B707's, DC-8's, VC-10's, CL-44's from around the world. Never got hassled at any of the fences and never met anyone else photographing aircraft. I guess the hobby has really taken off in the last 10 years! I shot exclusively with B&W film (Kodak Plus-X and Tri-X) and developed the film and printed photos myself.

Since 1967 my equipment has significantly improved. I shoot with a Nikon N90S and pretty much limit my photography to ramp shots of vintage and oddball aircraft. I just purchased an EPSON 890 color printer and am amazed at the quality of the prints it puts out. Much better than a photo lab! BTW...I'm 52, have 329 pics posted on a.net and consider myself to be one of the senior citizens of this website.
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:46 pm

Ehhhh... When I were a lad, we used to pedal cycle t'Airport - fifteen miles each way and some hills too. These young whipper-snappers of today don't know they were born - cars, digital cameras. What next? ... My first SLR didn't even have automatic exposure.

What I wonder is, what will tomorrow's generation make of the airplanes we photograph now? Today, the younger element seem to be derisory of anything with piston engines (inexperienced fools that they are  Big grin only joking!). What will the youngsters of 20 years time make when we wax lyrical about the days when TriStars and DC-10s were ten-a-penny?

Andy
 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:10 am

Looxury - SLR's!? we use to have to hand paint slides on to sheet film ... and the whole world was in black & white.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:16 am

"and the whole world was in black & white"

Yeah, I've seen that on TV  Big grin

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:22 am

Hello all!

I thought i would be the oldest one here on airliners.net  Smile

Well my first aviation shot was a Austrian Airlines DC-3 taken at Innsbruck Airport, Austria (INN / LOWI) in 1962 (yeah and once i even flew with that one to ZRH). About a year ago i uploaded it to airliners.net. Yeah... It was rejected  Sad But thinking about that rejection now i know that the rejection was ok  Smile Way to bad quality.... but my other photos from the 60´s (B-707 and DC8) on my flights from ZRH to LAX and AMS to YUL did get accepted!  Wink/being sarcastic These i made with a plain and simple point and shoot camera!

All the years after i did´nt take aviation photos. Boy i missed a lot!!! I´ve been to many places on our wonderful earth like London Heathrow, Paris Orly, Frankfurt, Barcelona, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Diego, Bangkok, Singapore and many more and never took photos. I could  Crying the hell out of me now.

Then... on a flight from SZG to VIE at FL170 (destination was San Diego), i had the idea to ask if i could take a shot of the flight deck on the Tyrolean Dash 8 (again with a cheap point and shoot camera).

This was the result:


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and that was the moment when i realized that it was time to get a decent SLR, which i did  Smile

Meanwhile i made many, many aviation photos. Some of them are here on airliners.net

This is the most recent one:


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And you know what? No matter how old i get (i hope very old), as long as my hands are´nt to shakey and are able to hold a camera... i´m gonna take aviation photo´s !!!!! Big grin

Regards
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:25 am

I know... i foregot  Sad

For all of those who want to know...

I´m 51 and counting Big grin

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:37 am

Hi All.

I am one of the "old boys" I guess, as I am 51. I started to take aircraft photos around 1967. I am new in the discussion forum, but have uploaded pictures on A.net in a year. I hoped to reach my 1000th picture on A.net within a year. I succeed by 1 (one) day! Have many more pictures in store, and new ones are coming.
I love this site. Hope to meet some of you guys some day.

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:26 am

OK, I might as well admit it, I fall into this category too.
39 and counting. This is my very first aviation shot.The timing could have been better I guess...

This was around 1971. Soon after I started filming on double 8. Wish I had all those great piston powered beauties on slides instead! Got my first SLR in -76. A Minolta SR-1 with the lightmeter mounted on the outside! Yepp, I'm that old...
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 7:34 am

Erik,

For someone with such a similar user name to me... its great to see you here. Seriously, you've got some pretty unique stuff, particularly the military, but I particularly like some of your night shots. Please keep on going.

Andy

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:58 am

What got you guys started in aircraft photography? In my case, I was a plastic modeler who got tired of the lackluster decals and paint schemes supplied with American military aircraft kits. My family was living near a huge Air Force Base, and upon attending my first airshow I saw how colorful the world of military aviation could be. (This was before Viet Nam era camouflage). I became determined to capture some of the markings on film and later apply them to my models. Within a year or two, I was into aircraft photography as my primary hobby.

PS. I used the masculine term “guys” above because I am unaware of any female participation in this forum. Not that I wish to exclude them, though I have never seen a woman walking the flightline with a serious camera kit, or hanging by the fence reciting fleet numbers. I guess we got this corner of the market to ourselves, guys.
 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:16 am

To answer Tom question, I was building model aircraft of airliners, buying my models and decals from ATP. That company was also selling duplicate slides of airliners. I started to collect them to have more information on the color scheme of the different airlines.

The owner of ATP knew that I was working at YUL asked me to take photos of the DC-8 of Cubana in exchange for a good amount of dup slides.

This is how I started being interested of taking aircraft photos and I am still taking them in 2002.

Cheers,

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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:42 am

Hello all of you!

I am as old as Eduard, who started this thread, that is 43.

I grew up close to the old Oslo airport, Fornebu, now closed. We could follow the runway actions from our house, and from 1969 when jets arrived to Braathens SAFE and I was 11 years, I have been a dedicated Civil Aviation enthusiast.
I was too young at that time to take photographs, but I drew all the aircraft I had never seen before when I came home from school. We had no photograph traditions in my family, and I was so used to see all the planes from my home, that I did´t think of photographing them until I moved elsewhere (I´m really sorry now). Therefore I really appreciate shots uploaded by people like Eduard Marmet and Erik Frikke, (not to mention Mel Lawrence and others...)

I have a good collection of shots from 1985 and so on, and I hope I will be able to get better scannings to share some more of them with you.

Kind regards Ole Johan Beck
 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:53 pm

I started as a model maker too, and while I took up photography seriously as a hobby in '77, I didn't live close enough to any airports to make aircraft a viable subject. Only after moving to the UK in '88 and going through a period of intense domesticity (3 children!) did I look around and realised that the south of England had to be one of the best places for aviation enthusiasts in the world! Since then there's been no stopping me.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 10:21 pm

Hi all

I am glad to meet you all here in this thread and to realise that our generation is active as well ! Of course 40 isn't an absolute limit for belonging to the 'elderly' community.
A special welcome to Erik Frikke in this forum. Already some times ago I noticed your photos. OK, I am not very interested in military aircrafts, but some of them are really remarkable. Fortunately you took also civil airliners like this rarity:


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or this one (delicious for all prop fans like me):


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Photo © Erik Frikke



and - as already mentioned by Andy - the night shots:


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Photo © Erik Frikke



Other great photographers of the 60's and 70's I am still missing here, like


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Photo © Steve Williams




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Photo © Günter Grondstein




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Photo © Bill Sheridan



… and many others.

And to Toms question: I started taking airliner photos in 1974. Already as child I watched often the arriving and departing airliners from the near Airport Basel-Mulhouse (today Euroairport). I don't know which virus I have got in 1973 but I had the absolute desire to collect them on photos. The first photos I took with a camera which was good for a museum: I had to fold out the lens and the format of the negatives was rather strange: (about 5 x 5 cm, I can't remember exactly). My first SLR camera (not automatic at all) I got in 1975 and soon after I changed to slide-films.
I was a rather active photographer until 1986. Other occupations (family, job….) made me reduce my hobby to a minimum. Together with my son - slowly beginning to be interested - I reactivated my equipment last year.

Colin: I had years ago a teleconverter too, but my photos didn't came out as well as yours - great shots indeed. Probably I should give a try once again with a new one, obviously the lens-technique of converters has made a fine step.

at last, here one of my first shots from 1975 (the props were disappearing rapidly in the following years):


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Photo © Eduard Marmet



regards, Eduard
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:12 am

Thanks for the kind words about my pictures. To my surprise, after only a few uploads to A.net, I recieved a lot of "fan letters" from around the world. It is nice that my pictures can enjoy other people, instead of collecting dust on my shelf.
By the way. Did I mention that my first camera was a manualy operated Zenith of the "finest" sovjet design. I used that camera from 1967-73. After 1 year use it developed a shutter failure as you can see on this photo. The left side was overexposed.


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Hopefully you think my equipment has improved!

I will try to locate my first picture.

Erik
 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:32 am

Ahhh... The mighty Zenith cameras! A friend had one which developed an almost identical fault. He also had a zoom lens that wobbled quite noticably from the middle - I never wanted to hold it because I was scared the thing would fall apart.

I nearly bought a Zenith but settled for a Praktica instead. The guy who bought it from me still uses it to this day.

Andy
 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:59 am

"I never wanted to hold it because I was scared the thing would fall apart"
Not at all!! The camera body was made of brass (no fragile plastic here). It could be used as a hammer, if you wanted to. Contrary to the "curtain" in the shutter. It did not last long.

Erik
 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:38 am

As I had been hoping, I have been able to get my earliest aircraft photo uploaded. I know, it's black and white and not too great, but hey, I was just a kid.

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Photo © Tom Hildreth


As a final hint, I was 13 years old when I took this shot. No, I'm not looking for the title of "most elderly" on this here website.

I would imagine that within a month or so of taking this photo, all 3 of us had given up riding our bicycles for good. It just wasn't "cool" you know, to be in high school and still riding a bicycle!

I have a few photos in my collection taken the year before, but I think my brother was the one taking the shots. So, I'm "officially" calling this my earliest aircraft photo. Just in case you wanted to know.

Yeah, right.

 
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RE: .. And The 'elderly' Generation?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:24 pm

another one nudging the line -- 38 and counting...

one of my earliest surviving pictures is of a small private plane zooming by on a runway at YHM -- it was taken in the early 70's, and is as blurry as you'd expect from a photographically-challenged kid on a school trip using his mum's ancient, fully manual Voigtlander. now there's a name for the 'elderly' to conjure with...

the goal for this year is to get a photo good enough for a.net. it will be a suitable challenge -- i spend most of my photographic life shooting landscapes and ruined buildings and other such immovable objects...

oh, i still have, and use, the Voigtlander. my main camera is a Canon A-1, though, which I got in '81. i'll have to throw a coming-of-age party for it this spring  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

progress, who needs it... bring back the collodion plate Big grin

cheers,

john

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