thomasphoto60
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My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:03 pm

I find most flight deck shots..well, plain, unimaginetive and dull!

The few exceptions however, are those of Jan Mogren and Vasco Garcia's as well as all those other photographers who took the time to compose, meter and bring out some outstanding flight deck shots.... not an easy task, especially in a dimly lit cockpit at night or dusk. And now as I was searching for a particular airline, I stumbeled upon this. I would like to add this photographer to that list.

I love this offbeat flash & blur technique (which I often use myself), for me it gives an element of animation to an otherwise static shot. I have no hesitation in saying, had I been allowed to any cockpit and with the flight crew's permission, this is exactly how I would have shot this scene.


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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:01 pm

How is that technique applied?

thanks
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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:14 pm

I think slow sync flashlight is used. Means a long shutter speed with flash synchronisation on the closing of the curtain.
I think thats how it is done, fell free to correct me
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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:14 am

It actually means that you're exposing the background with ambient light and foreground with a flash.

And yes, those first and second curtain sync stuff  Smile

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:04 am

All of the answers are correct...more or less! In essence what you are doing is a balancing of both ambient and flash lighting. There are several ways of doing this. Personally, I like doing it the hard way, namely in manual mode. I take an overall handheld meter reading of the scene (if its too dark for a hand held meter, I use the camera's meter) and say with a reading of 1/2 of a sec @ f5.6, I power down my flash to match (or slightly over) the ambient reading. I have just enough flash to freeze the main subject, yet allow the blur to filter in and give the sense of movement.

With respect to Jernej, I do not believe that this is a 'second curtain' sync shot. Note the 'ghosting' ahead of the pilot's head. Had this been a 2nd curtain sync image there would have been no blur ahead of the head. Second curtain sync prevents blur (or ghosting) from appearing ahead of a given subject.

Most of today's flash/ camera combos (in particular the high end models) can easily handle this technique (see your flash manual under advance techniques) with little of the mental gymnastics that we ol'timers had to use with our MF cameras and Vivitar 285HV or 283s. I still set my 550EZ/540EZs to manual in order to get full creative control however. It takes a little time to master, but it adds a whole new dimension to flash photography IMO.

This is a very popular technique with photojournalist that came into its own during the 80s. One of the more prolifc users of this style of shooting is National Geographic shooter Micheal 'Nick' Nichols. In the end it is all subjective, I know some editors who hate this technique, but more like it however.

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:30 pm

that is one crazy shot!!

i like it!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:58 pm

Thanks for the answers. I'm wondering if it's possible to control the power of the EOS 30 built in flash. I'll take a look at the camera instructions.

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:43 am

I tried many times to get these kind of cockpit shots, but always failed basically due to a cheap flash without slow shutter speed syncronization.

Another guy who's taking awesome cockpit shots is Iberia F/O Ivan Rodriguez:


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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:04 am

I dont find this one plain and dull at all!!!!!!!

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or this other one:

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:12 am

Sorry I posted the same photos as Dee-see-eit, when I composed my message his was not yet posted.  Innocent

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:37 am

I agree that Ivan's shots are stunning! The silhoutte shot is a knockout, I remember when I first saw it, I was blown away. The 2nd shot however, well, I can take or leave. The 'strobed' effect for me anyways is bothersome.

I am very envious anyone who has the opportunity to shoot from this vantage point........one day perhaps , I'll get my chance.

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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:39 am

those are good though. I like the ones where you have the plane backing out or when you have the plane there and you have the shutter in a long exposure. It loks cool with the lights in a line from the planes and ramp vehicles.
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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:43 pm

From : Thomas Millard
To : Thomas A. Hjelmen
Date : Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:08:56 -0600

"Normally I do not care for cabin or flight deck shots, but yours stand out from the crowd."

*Ahem* Big grin  Big grin

Well, you have a few pics that look ok too.  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: My Kind Of Flight Deck Shot!

Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:33 am

Thanks for the plug, Thom@s! Smile
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My Favorite Cockpit Shots..

Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:46 pm

this guy is awesome!!!!!


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