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Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:30 am

Okay, there seems to be a lot of interest in this camera. In an effort to provide as much usable info as possible, I here now continue my observations regarding my new 707:

Having spent the morning at ORD yesterday in beautiful sunlight, I have discovered potential 'serious' flaw to this camera: the colors. No matter what I did, what settings I used, the images either had a slight blue or red cast to them. Nothing like the infamous "Kodachrome color shift" in old slides, but enough to irk me. Yes, these issues are easily solved in Photoshop - but it's a bummer to have to expect that I will have to do some bit of post-processing on every image I take. Does anybody know how to turn down the effect of the white-balance settings? The sunlight setting is too red. The incadescent is too blue. Grr...

Don't get me wrong - I'm still very happy with this camera. The resolution is outstanding for a camera in this price range, and the big/bright/fast lens is a lifesaver. But, I already know why I will be getting rid of this camera when the time comes. Those damn colors.

On another note, I heard Nikon is expected to announce a mid-range digital SLR next month at PMA. Something better than the CP5000, but not quite a D1X. If that happens, my F707 is for sale.  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:37 am

The F707 doesn't have an auto white balance setting?

Whatever setting you use, the camera won't always get it right. Using the D30 on any of the white balance settings, or even on AWB (which I pretty much permanently have set on now) there are still tweaks that need to be done to a good proportion of the images to get the colours just the way I like them. Which isn't to say that the camera doesn't sometimes get it BANG ON, but more often than not, a little adjustment one way or another gives a more pleasing image.
 
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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:59 am

I was at ORD spotting yesterday also... Damn it you should have told me lol!
 
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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:21 am

The F707 doesn't have an auto white balance setting?

Yes, it does - but unfortunately, it doesn't always work as it should. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I really didn't think that this would be an issue for this camera. Oh well - it's just going to take time and a bit of trial and error to get things right. I was playing around in Photoshop this afternoon, and I think I built a good Action I can use for all my pics (to get the red out).

I was at ORD spotting yesterday also... Damn it you should have told me lol!

Where were you? I was at 27L in the USG parking lot. There were a couple other guys out there taking pictures too - only got a good look at one of them, and he was an older guy with a *huge* lens on his camera. Were you the other guy? Anyway, that spot is great - three cops drove right by me while I was sitting there, and none of them stopped to chat.

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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:44 am

Guys it's interesting to listen to your comments about the F707.

Reference the comments regarding white balance. Scott you maybe need to get your camera checked out. I have read and talked to quite a few folk who had problems with the F707 and colour balance. Some people have had stuck pixels, I even read heard about a story where the all the colours turned a heavy green cast. I guess every manufacturer has cameras released with faults that maybe don't get noticed during inspections. I would be interested to see your cast shots and look at them, compare and advise you. Scott sorry to say this but you may have a camera problem. There is a way to access this menu, a kinda secret menu. I read about it somewhere but dint think twice about it as I'm happy with the pics.

I have been using the camera since Oct and while the first 100 shots were crap the rest have been spectacular. Learning to use the camera is a fine art itself. Always use the manual mode for shooting, you will get the best results that way. I love F6.3 1/800 shots in bright sun. They are just slight overexposed but turn out great. Never use the manual white balance settings, the camera's strength is determining the situation and adjusting the white balance itself.

The first problem i heard about with the 707 was BFS(Blue Flash Syndrome) some early models were released with this problem installed. Randomly the camera would place a blue cast over a flash shot. It Looked rather weird. What your describing is not that but something where red's and maybe blue's are over or under saturated.

I have to say Scott, the F707 is one of the best in its class. Like so many other cameras it has its advantages and disadvantages but from what you describe you may have a problem with your camera. By all means maybe I am wrong and cant see the cast colours on my shots. I don't alter my shots I just resize them for airliners. Take a look at my shots and see if you can pick a similar type of cast please Scott.

I have to say to you I think the Sony is pretty good at the colours, the red's are OTT but seriously If your looking for that true colour perfection you will have to get your wallet out and start paying megabucks.

Check in the next few days. I have over 100 uploads from a recent US trip, if they pass the screener no2(I think now...) then you will see them.

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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 8:53 am

I've seen your twilight shots Colin, even the ones without airplanes in them!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up

if they pass the screener no2(I think now...)

...eh? Wot does that mean?...

Gerry/EDI





 
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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:33 pm

Colin:

Actually, I was concerned about a defective camera as well, so I went to the photo shop and tried their floor model - it acts the same way. Like I said - it isn't REALLY bad...it's just a *slight* color tone that, when compared to other digicams, makes me a little frustrated. It's nothing like the "blue flash syndrome" thing that plagued early 707's, so I guess I can live with it. All it takes is to open it up in Photoshop and desaturate the red channel a hair.

I do fully admit that it could be "User Error" though.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy After all, I have only had this camera for a week - and I did mangage to nail a few spot-on exposures this weekend. However...I can't remember what I did to get those! The EXIF info for all the photos doesn't contain white balance settings.

Like I said earlier...I'm *very* picky when it comes to this stuff, so if I see a flaw, it somehow always gets blown up in my mind. The thing that makes me feel better is trying to think of all the things that were wrong with my last camera, and how the 707 improves on them.

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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:05 pm

Scott
Did you sent me your RED cast photos to my private email?

I have uploaded many USA shots which were taken with the F707. So far I have had no comments on RED castings. Again maybe I'm wrong. I guess its up to the individual.

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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Wed Jan 30, 2002 12:53 pm

nah nah i was over by 14 R/L there.
 
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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Wed Jan 30, 2002 7:51 pm

Scott

I looked at your email photograph. I do that Red cast. Something which I haven't seen or experienced before with my F707.

You say you tried the shops other model. Have you thought about a bad batch?

If the light is low and you use ISO400 and a low F setting the LCD screen will tinge red but only for LCD not the shot. That's weird. Apart from that I can find nothing wrong with the camera.

If it keeps taking photos like this for me I will keep loving it!
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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:10 pm

Yeah, maybe it is a bad batch. BUT...here is an example of a photo that came out fine (the only thing I did to it was a re-size for upload to a.net):


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No red cast here, though I think I see a *hint* of blue. But the windows are really tinted @ MSP, so who knows. As much as I hate to admit it, I hope my problems really are "user error".  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Sony F707 Concern

Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:07 am

F707 Users

Do you have converters for your 707? if so how much is it and what is the focal length with it and wothout it?

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