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Digital Printing

Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:27 pm

Hi all

Discussed already but I am bringing it up again.

Just on Sunday I used Photobox.co.uk for the printing of one shot:

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Photo © Gary Watt


Pics have been despatched already so looking forward to seeing how it turned out.

Used an out of the camera D30 image, sharpened a little and re-sized upwards to 3000 pixels wide. A 3.2MB image e-mailed to them. Some cropping occurs but worked well with this shot (on-line crop view)

Anyone else used Photobox?

I'll let you know how the prints, 7 x 5 and 12 x 15 turn out.

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Digital Printing

Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:35 pm

Hi Gary,

I have seen some digital prints and the were perfect they were done at asda.

I have just got my Sony F707 and you get 20 free prints with that so I am looking forward to getting 20 good Photos  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Let me know how they come out.

Steve.

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RE: Digital Printing

Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:35 pm

I've heard that digital photos should look oversharpened on the screen in order to come out sharp on the print, can someone post an example of sufficient sharpening for this purpose?

Gary, nice photo!

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RE: Digital Printing

Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:48 pm

I have used the online Pixology service through Jessops and Gobuy.com and can recommend them. Both retailers offer different sizes and prices for some reason.

Gary has seen a few of my shots including a poster print that looks really nice, the image came straight out of the camera with no adjustments (3020 pixels) For photo prints I usually sharpen the image as i would for airliners nothing more and the photos look as per the image.

Cheers

Paul
 
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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:44 am

Hi all

Paul, your pics were pretty impressive, especially the BA 777 shot. Really nice paper it was printed on.

Hopefully Photobox will use the same stuff. Fuji??

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 3:24 am

Interesting guys,

I have had some 7x5 prints done at Jessops (in the lab not via internet), and by sharpening them only a little, the prints came out spoiled with horrible jaggies.

The only way to get them looking like normal prints was not to add any sharpening at all............I am interested to see that your experiences are different.

And Gary, I have used photobox before, for a client, and they were superb. They use the same Fuji paper and printers, and the service is terriffic. Shots uploaded and processed and the customer had them the next morning in the post.

I would like to hear from anyone else on their experience of Jessops printing............do you sharpen or not?

Cheers

Garry
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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:30 am

I use Jessops quite a lot and I never sharpen my images.

I spoke to someone at my local Jessops and he said that their process includes an automated sharpening process which is why if you've already sharpened your image it can come out jagged.

YMMV,

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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:40 am

I think we need to be careful about which type of Jessops we're talking about here. The Jessop's in-house service or the Jessop's internet service [which I'm sure you know is run by Pixology].

Buried in the Pixology FAQ is a paragraph which states that they apply no sharpening to the pictures prior to printing so you should therefore sharpen yourself. I think the in-house Jessops service for walk-in customers has some inbuilt auto-sharpening so it's right not to sharpen in this case.

I've always sharpened, as if I would print the shot myself, for the internet service and the results are excellent.

As in all of these cases, the best thing to do is to ask. There's always an email link [or a phone number] that you can use to get in contact with someone who won't treat you like an 'oik'. Once it becomes apparent to them that you know a bit about repro' processes then they usually spill all the details you need.


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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:41 am

BTW: Paul, what size was the final poster print that you had done? I'm interested in whether they did some interpolation on the print or just printed at a lower dpi / screen frequency.


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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:05 am

Apologies for being vague...I was talking about the in-house service by Jessops.

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RE: Digital Printing

Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:01 am

Staffan - yes, I've heard this too, but there are so many variables I think it's hard to give a hard and fast rule - the contrast. resolution and type of printer will all effect what works.

Personally I tend to sharpen up to the point where I am "aware" of artifacts on the screen (viewing image at 100%) then back off just a tad. The settings vary from print to print.

On the matter of resolution, there is an argument that says the larger the print, the lower the resolution needed due to the increased "comfortable viewing" distance. I know for a fact that the IT support staff at our Art College drop resolution to 120-150 DPI for A1 size prints ... and this is for exhibition purposes.

Cheers,

Colin
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FAO Jason

Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:13 pm

Hi Jason

Having the same camera and image size, how do you compensate for cropping?

Not sure about Jessops but Photobox crop the picture to fit the paper. Some digital cameras have the same ration as the paper size but the D30 is different.

I tried the Dash 8 above as it showed little cropping to the image without spoiling it. Tried a few others but while viewing 'my basket' the cropping cut part of the aircraft off. There is a 'fit to page' feature but didn't select this incase it distorted the image.

Any comments Jason....or anyone?

Thanks

Gary Watt
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RE: FAO Jason

Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:39 pm

Jason,

The poster print was 27 x 18 printed on satin paper, looks as though it was done by a inkjet style printer, so i presume lower dpi (?). Gary can give an honest opinion but as a test picture its pretty good.

These are the specs for Pixology:
6" x 4" 1800x1200
7" x 5" 2100x1500
8" x 6" 2400x1800
10" x 8" 3000x2400
15" x 10" 4500x3000

With the Pixology service you have the image cropped and like the D30 the S1 uses a different ratio. For some sizes it works fine but for the smaller sizes the cropping is a pain. The 777 shot that gary saw was in two sizes and the smaller 6x4 was cropped pretty tight but the 10x8 looked quite nice.

Cheers

Paul
 
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RE: Digital Printing In U.S?

Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:52 am

Where can we do some Digital Printing here in the U.S that will do enlargements, such as an 8X12 up to an 11X17?




Thanks

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RE: Digital Printing

Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:58 am

Aaron,

I think Ofoto!

www.ofoto.com

Regards,

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RE: Digital Printing

Thu Mar 14, 2002 2:05 am

I just HAVE to get to Aberdeen airport some day. Sorry, off topic, go on.  Smile

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From Granite To Thomas

Thu Mar 14, 2002 6:23 am

Hi Thomas

Thanks for your e-mail Big grin

I have ordered a few spare pictures of the Dash 8 so if you want a copy, send me your postal address to my e-mail address. Only if you are happy to do this.

The size is 5 x 7.

Pictures did arrive today but too big to fit through the letterbox so I have to uplift from the Post Office tomorrow am.

Also, if the enlargement is good, I can give you the address of my private URL which you can order an enlargement for yourself from Photobox.co.uk

I just hope they are OK  Smile

Regards

Gary Watt
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Blown Away!

Thu Mar 14, 2002 5:04 pm

Hi all

Picked up the prints this morning.

Absolutely blown away with the results  Smile
Even the 15 x 12 which was resampled up to meet 3000 pixels wide is fantastic.

No jaggies, no blotches, no compression even though it was submitted as a JPEG.

All packaged in cardboard tube and supplied with information sheets and a nice colour calibration photo.

I have to say there is no way I could achieve this result with reprints from a negative.

I would highly recommend Photobox.co.uk and will definitely be using them again.....hopefully soon  Smile

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Digital Printing

Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:13 pm

Hmmm, Gary Watt has my home adress, is that really a situation i want to be in?  Smile Yeah, I'll send you the address by mail.

Ehhh, but how much are you charging for it? Remember I live in a poor country, and need money for food.  Laugh out loud

Look forward to seeing the picture.  Smile

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RE: Digital Printing

Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:26 pm

Hi Thomas

I am not charging you for printing the enlargement.

It will be a charge by Photobox.co.uk

The URL will be available to you only until you have got the image and then I will delete from the folder.

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Digital Printing

Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:42 pm

Erm, I'm not sure if i follow you here.

URL? I thought you were sending me a print of it, or did you want me to download it from a website.....don't confuse me like that, It's getting late here.  Smile

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RE: Digital Printing

Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:42 pm

Hi Thom@s

Let me explain:

Yes, I will send you a print, 7 x 5 size. I got 5 copies made. Once I get your address it will be on it's way  Smile

If you want a 15 x 12 size enlargement for yourself, I can then give you the URL for the picture on Photobox. You can then order the enlargement for yourself at the price that Photobox charges.

The picture on Photobox is only available to those who I give out the photo URL to.

Does that sound better to you?

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 4:50 am

I'll send you an e-mail, we're boring the guys who read this.  Smile

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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 5:11 pm

Hi Thomas

Got your mail.

If they are bored reading this, what are they reading it Big grin

Regards
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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 6:06 pm

ABBA  Wow!

Cheers

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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 6:27 pm

Gary, Abba eh? Any particular reason why?  Smile

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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 7:08 pm

Hi all

Thom@s, reason being I have been a fan since 1975 and also met one of the memebers in Stockholm a few years ago. Same trip as my flightdeck ride with Monarch.

Sorry off topic so admin are free to delete.

Regards

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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:19 pm

Guys,

I purchased an HP 1215 PhotoPrinter for my computer. I wanted something I could send one time prints to family, friends etc. Now that I am shooting digital images and being able to adjust in Photoshop 6.0, I thought it would be a good investment. It also has an adapter for 4x6 prints. It has excellent print making tools!

I tested it out on an 8x12 HP Premium Glossy paper. I printed a full frame landing shot that I took with my DSC-F707. I couldn't beleive the quality. Unbelievable. I brought the picture to work and no one believed it was a digital image, not even our graphic arts people.

Just a thought ... low price for high quality  Big grin

Brian
 
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RE: Digital Printing

Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:31 pm

Hi Brian

I have a photo printer too and use it along with Kodak paper. I thought the quality was excellent......until I got the Photobox pictures Big grin

I don't think I will use my HP printer again for pictures.

Definitely the way to go for digital shooters in the UK for those looking for high quality images for customers and their own collection. All printed on Fujifilm's Crystal Archive photographic paper.

No I know resizing up makes no difference to the quality of the finished print.

Regards

Gary Watt
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