LGW
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Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:33 am

I am now 18 and have decided its time to 'get serious' (with regards to aviation photography.

I have decided to either:-

Buy a decent slide scanner and shoot slides

or

Shoot prints (for my benefit, no intention of uploads)

or

I go really into digital and get an digi SLR

One of these 3 options will win (as it where) and over the course of the next year I wil impliment my choice

I want your help on which option to choose. So either impart info, sell 'your method' or warn me off a certian option.

I would really appreciate your help

LGW
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:37 am

I'd go digital if I were you. It's the future of photography.

I'm hoping to have a digital camera by this summer. Maybe I'll get into aviation photography and successfully upload something here someday...
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:43 am

LGW,

No one can really help you with this. YOU have to do what YOU feel necessary and will enjoy. There are advantages and disadvantages of each of the 3 choices above. You just need to figure out the option that meets more of YOUR needs.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:52 am

Thanks for your input so far.

Mike, I know its hard for people to help on this one. I just was interested in peoples input. Out of the three I am leaning towards the slides option although as Lindy Field says, digital is the future. I jusat feel I want a hard copy of my photos and after looking through Joe's, Yours Mike and Carlos' photos it makes me really want to be a slide shooter

LGW
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:15 am

Digital cannot reproduce the quality of a slide or negative.
What it CAN do is produce a better quality image than the average slidescanner. If you take pictures mainly for digital use, a digicam is therefore the way to go. If you take them mainly for use offline, a good slidescanner is the way forward.
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:16 am

I'll continue shooting slides for the simple fact that it's better!  Big grin

I think of it this way, in 25 years, what will I prefer? A bunch of digital files (2000-3000 pixels wide) or a slide? Of course the slide! As scanners get better, I'll be able to get better and better photos out of my slides, but the digital file will still be the same, not better, not worse.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:21 am

Or you can do it all....I have a moderatly (note to Johan--Can we get a spell check function here?) priced digital (Fuji 6900 that gives me very nice results.) Along with that I have a Canon Rebel that I shoot slides with. I use the Minolta Dimage II to scan slides in. The problem with the slides is that it has a bit of a learning curve to get really high quality scans. But I am coming along. SO for not that much money you can explore both digital and film worlds. In my future is a full SLR digital (or perhaps a divorce when she sees the price of those things...).

As someone else said, just enjoy yourself. You don't have to make the big plunge all at one time.  Smile
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:27 am

LGW,

Thanks! Of course, I would recommend that you go slides. You have the best of both but with digital all you have is digital. Plus, with the price of digital going down it might be better for you to get some good slide shooting gear now and pickup a digital body to match your lenses in the future. That way you have the advantage of slides and digital.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 4:29 am

I dont want 'both' I know my 2100 is a pretty tosh digi cam but I dont like using my normal SLR and the 2100. Of course having both options I have to half my cash. I am going to go into 1 of the options whole hartedly and one only

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:22 am

If I were you I´ll go for the descent scanner and shoot slides all the way..... I would follow Mike and Staffan comments... and I´m shure some other´s will tell you the same thing.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:42 am

Despite being a long term traditionalist - hell, I only went AF last year - I've now been converted to digital. Sure, slides are great - and still theoretically superior - but its what you want to do with your images that matters. The slide is not much more than an interim storage device (apart for collectors) - to be of value to others it must be printed and/or scanned.

Today I took delivery of my D60. There is simply no way I can match the quality of the images this produces with my Nikon 4000ED scanner up to A4 size, and I suspect a good way beyond.

For most practical purposes, I believe that the current and shortly forthcoming crop of DSLRs are the only sensible way to go for someone starting aviation photography seriously. Aside from anything else, you will be competing against DSLR owners in any sales market - they will be able to produce ... in most cases ... a better product in less time than someone working in film.

Yes, some cases (the poster sized Cibachrome print) the slide will produce a better result ... but how often is this going to be your end product? Furthermore, to achieve the quality of some of the film users on A.net does take considerable experience.

Financially, the outlay on a top end (4000dpi) scanner plus decent SLR is not going to be much less than a DSLR.

I don't want to detract from film - I still love, and will continue to shoot film for the forseeable future - but I suspect this will be increasingly solely for my own pleasure - any "serious" work will be digital.

You've picked a good time to venture into the fray - you're spoiled for choice with new Canon, Nikon and Sigma prosumer DSLRs coming out, and the superb D30 now available at a very good price.

Cheers,

Colin

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:45 am

Colin i agree with you and thats why im gonna eventually like mike buy a dslr.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:58 am

Ye Gods! Aliens have abducted Joe and taken over his body!

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:34 am

Well, STAFFAN (hehe, I could just talk to you right now, but that wouldn't be any fun Big grin). I have to disagree. Digital SLRs are still not up to the standard that they can be, by a long shot. We will be seeing quality that surpasses any slides, for sure, in the future. If you look at a picture that has come straight out of a DSLR (don't quote me on this one folks), it still does not look very good compared to the final 1024x768 pic that gets uploaded to A.net, so there is room for improvement there.

As technology advances, printers will get better, and thus we will be able to get better results from printing a digital photo than from shooting prints (which is probably true right now), and really you can't look that well at a slide without a slide projector, and even then I don't think its as good as a print.

Well, we'll see! Big grin

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btw. Joe, have you been thrashing down the pints tonight? this doesn't sound like you at all!!  Laugh out loud  Smile
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:52 am

Ben, here's some guidance for you...

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 9:54 am

LMAO Staffan, logo's can't help you you know Big grin
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 6:44 pm

I think it is impossible to choose one of your options exclusively. You should use all three mediums, but perhaps put an emphasis on one. This is because all three have their pros and cons. If you choose one exclusively, you will have to live with the cons of that choice which may not be easy. But anyway, here's my opinion on each:

1. I think slides will become less popular in the future as they are much less practical than the other two mediums in may respects (e.g. more expensive than print, not so easily 'viewable'). The technology of slides has matured and will not progress much further. The pro of this is that your slides will never be 'out of date' - the will be the same in 25 years as they will be now, and they will always be nice to have. But at the same time, if you decide to use this medium exclusively, you will be lagging behind others more and more as the other mediums (principally digital) advance more and more. I would say it's nice to shoot slides occasionally just for fun, but it might not be 'the way forward'.

2. I think prints will continue to be popular as they are cheap and simple to view. They're very user friendly as there's no need to scan/upload etc before you can view them (at least for yourself). The technology of prints has also matured and so again whatever you get now will last a very long time. They are also reasonably easily convertible to digital medium by using a scanner.

3. I think digital will continue to develop, but you should also bear in mind the fact that the D-SLRs currently available (e.g. D60) have reached a point whereby any further improvement will hardly be noticeable by you or anyone viewing your images. A major concern I have with D-SLRs now is their price - in 10 years time you will be able to get D-SLRs for 20% of their price now. So you may regret paying so much now. But then digital is the way forward and I believe this will become more and more popular. One day, someone without a digital will be really out dated. Another thing you should bear in mind is that digital is also totally dependent on your having a computer (and having a reasonably powerful one). It can be very frustrating if your computer crashes etc and printing them yourself is also a tedious and expensive process - in short, it's nice when things work but when they don't, it's frustrating!

I would suggest either option 2 or 3. 2 has most of the advantages of 1 (e.g. maturity of the technology) while being more user friendly and cheaper. 3 is the way forward and one day you will have to get a D-SLR. So many people will have one in 10 years time you simply will not be able to do without one. However, you may want to wait for prices to fall before doing so. For myself, I think I wil ultimately be using both 2 and 3.

Hope this helps!
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:10 pm

Hi all

Ben, best wait till you leave skool, get a job, get some money then decide from there.

Oh, and a bigger brick to stand on at Gatwick Big grin

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:15 pm

Ben,

Not wishing to put you off a DSLR (if indeed that's the way you're leaning - that's the way I'm going!), but you can scan negatives with a slide/film scanner you know! That means you can shoot prints if that's to your liking, and still get high quality scans from a slide/film scanner to upload.

The questions I'd ask YOU is - if you bought a film based SLR, do you think you'd stick with it for two, three, or five years (or indeed, vice versa with digital)? If you buy a film camera now, will you want to change to digital in a couple of years time as more and more photographers move that way? Or will you go digital now and then regret not having the original film (either print or negative)? Slides are still best quality, but pretty specialist these days unless you want to trade - do you really need slides?

Quality SLRs last a long time if they're taken care of, but rarely achieve much in second hand value. You need to think not only about what medium you want to use now, but also in the longer term future.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 7:27 pm

I see where your coming from Gary (Im not @ school!) But, I finish my A-Levels next summer (2003) then will go to university for 3-4 years so it will be about 2006 till I can buy anything! Thats a long time! Without saying how much money I have lets just say i am 18 and could afford to buy 3 D30's. (then id have no money and who wants 3 anyway? Big grin)

And it aint my brick! Big grin

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:12 pm

Ben,

Looks as though your going to be to busy studying to go shooting pics! 2006? that should buy you a Fuji S27 or a D600 the way things are progressing Big grin

Regards

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:21 pm

Well, thats true Paul. I am planning on studying something along the lines of airline and airport management, air transport management or air transport logisitics.

So, I get a placement at an airport/airline so I may be able to get some good shots.

Anyway, everyone knows students dont really study Big grin

BTW Paul, I have thought of another use for that brick (shall we just say ouch? Big grin)

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 8:39 pm

Hi Ben

Will if you have the money, stop gibbering and go and get something.

I have lost track of how many posts you have made along the lines of 'Shall I get' 'Will I get' etc.

Be a big boy and go for it Big grin

No big boy should need to stand on a brick at LGW to get quality shots........I didn't Big grin

See you at LGW later this year.......with your friend Big grin

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Fri Apr 05, 2002 11:04 pm

BTW Paul, I have thought of another use for that brick (shall we just say ouch?)

Yeah watch out for your toes!

Airport management, let us know which one so I can avoid it  Wink/being sarcastic

Gary, dont mention his friend  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 12:47 am

something along the lines of... airport management

Oh well, that'll be another airport where there's no place for photographers then!!! Big grin Big grin

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:14 am

This is my suggestion:

Forget the digital if you go for serious spotting.

Then, if you take, let's say maybe a roll of pics in two weeks or so, and you don't travel much, shoot prints as they are easy to watch without any extra gadgets like the projector.

In case you shoot many more rolls than one per week, shoot slides as they become a bit cheaper in a long run and they are easier (for some) to archieve.

It's easier to make copies from negatives, as you may want to give photos to your friends and so on. After all, slides have the best quality (on ASA 100 and less), and that's what I suppose you want.

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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:53 am

Ben,
I went through the same as you a couple of weeks ago.
Here's what I did and my reasonings.

I bought a Canon EOS 30 35mm and a Canon 4000US scanner (which can scan a 35mm frame at 19 mega-pixels) for less than £1,100. This is compared to £1,500 for a D30 and £2,200 for a D60.

I will shoot prints, get the smallest size developed, and scan the negs. I may experiment with slide film............

The EOS 30 has more features than even the D60, without going into too much detail I could mention the 7 focusing points and eye control focus.

I started in photography with a Pro 90 digital, mainly shooting aircraft. If you want to just shoot aircraft, and can afford it, stay with digital. The advantages of choosing ISO speed on the fly to maintain fast shutter speeds is one good reason I can think of right now. The D30, and I assume D60, produce smooth results at ISO 200 I am told. I am keeping my Pro 90 for occasions where digital is the right medium.

I want to take up photography as a hobby, as opposed to just aviation photography, and this is one of my reasons for staying with film. I will probably go SLR digital someday, and by which time I will have hopefully accumulated some good lenses.

Also, digital has that 1.6x focal length multiplier. Great for aviation shots, bummer for landscapes.

I have excluded talking about lenses and their cost, since the same applies to SLR and DSLR.

To sum it up.

Digital = expensive, great for aviation photography, if you can afford it.

Film = cheaper, more suited to all-round photography (I hope I am right).

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Ive Got Some Big Decisions To Make/give Me A Hand?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 7:40 pm

If your serious about studying and university, in reality you're going to have little time for photography.

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