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What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 3:19 pm

I was wondering. If one had a certain amount of money to spend, would it be more beneficial (quaility wise) to buy a new and better lens or a new and better SLR?

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:12 pm

Hi Ben

I thought you were going digital?

Time to make up your mind once and for all my 'stand on brick' friend.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:16 pm

A good lens will have more impact. No question.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:18 pm

Well that is a hard question. You need both a good SLR and good lenses. Even a good camera witha cheap lense will give you poor results, and visa versa.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:36 pm

I take it we're talking film cameras...

Pretty much all modern / recent SLRs will produce good results. What changes is the sophistication of the metering systems and the speed of the AF (if they're AF), but if you can get the exposure right and in focus then the cheap end of the market should produce as good as the top end.

However, a duff lens will never produce good pictures, and the better the glass the better the result if you want to look at the results really critically (i.e. large enlargements, etc.). Also, the faster the lens, the more likely you are to be able to shoot something sharp.

If I had that choice, and assuming I had an at least reasonable camera body, I'd go for a lens.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:39 pm

I second Andy's post, lens all the way........

 
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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:45 pm

I have to agree with Charles and Andy! A cheaper body doesn't mean lesser quality, but a cheaper lense usually means bad quality. Just my 2 cents..........the big guys are the ones who know exactly what there talking about, I am just a starter. They are the ones who got me set on the right track! Charles was the guy who set me up with the best scanner, and lots of guys for my camera equipment, but mostly Joe and Mike.  Smile

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 5:10 pm

Dmitry... I don't think Joe had anything to do with you buying Nikon  Big grin unless he has of course changed his mind now, and admitting Nikon does indeed produce better gear  Laugh out loud

The lense IS the single factor that produces brilliant images (besides proper film), especially when shooting static objects, you'd NEVER be able to tell which shot looks better if it was taken with an F5 or an N2020... because they'd be exactly the same!

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 5:21 pm

I agree with the statements made, but what isn't made clear is exactly what it is you hope to improve. If your current shots are suffering because of poor exposure, or you are missing shots cause the AF is too slow, then a new body might be called for.

If you are happy with the camera's ability to capture the shots you want there's is pretty well noting you can do to the body to improve quality (other than stick a 6mp CMOS sensor in it  Smile) and it all depends on the lens.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 5:28 pm

A camera is in principle nothing more than a black box with a hole that can be opened and closed to let light in.
A lens will form that light into an image (though a pinhole will also work).
Using a better lens will yield a better image at all times when using the same camera.
The only times you should seriously consider a better camera is when the one you are using is damaged (shutter or meter malfunction or lightleaks, scratches on the outside are no problem) or you can no longer get things like lenses or batteries for it.
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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 5:44 pm

>The only times you should seriously consider a better camera is when the one you are using is damaged (shutter or meter malfunction or lightleaks, scratches on the outside are no problem) or you can no longer get things like lenses or batteries for it. <

Only then, huh?

I would also upgrade when the camera body limits what I can create. Quicker Auto focus, more precise AF, quicker film transport... Just mentioning a few features.
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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 7:32 pm

You might want to remember that if you use Canon USM lenses, the AF motor is in the lens, so it won't make a difference whether you use a top of the line EOS 1v or a cheap Rebel, the AF should still be fast.

A good body, as was mentioned, might have more sophisticated light metering and a few other functions, but generally speaking, I would rather have a cheap Rebel with a 70-200mm 2.8 L lens than an EOS 1v and a cheap 75-300mm 4.5-5.6 lens.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:16 pm

Yes!

I'd prefer the good lens/bad body combination. Even If I had a Canon  Laugh out loud

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:39 pm

Now you go too far Toni. There are limits  Laugh out loud
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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:40 pm

While the AF will be (relative to similar cameras of other makes) fast with USM lens on any Canon body, there are still significant differences in AF performance across the range - the type and number of AF sensors varies which affects the ability of the camera to accurately lock on to and track subjects.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 9:06 pm

Yes, just the motor is in the lens. The "brain" of auto focus is still in the camera. The performance between different bodies varies.
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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Mon Apr 08, 2002 10:41 pm

I agree that the same lens in different bodies doesn't autofocus at the same speed and with the same accuracy. In my case, I suppose this is reinforced by the fact that I don't use AF-S lenses (equivalent to Canon USM's), so the body does everything concerning AF.

Anyway, if we take Ben's proposal to an extreme, I think that most improvements in SLR bodies are biased towards speed, so a good lens/bad body would allow us to make less photos but with the same quality, having in mind that nowadays, even cheaper SLR's have a decent metering system...

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:24 pm

The key thing to remember is that during the exposure there is nothing inbetween the film and the lens. So I've always been a firm believer that the photographer makes the shot, and the lens makes it happen.

But then again I've recently gone digital so...

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:33 pm

There's no doubt in my mind. If you set a Rebel at f8 1/125, it won't make any difference compared to a EOS1 at the same settings. The lens does the job of converging rays of light to the film, not the body.

In my opinion, a good photographer can compensate for the drawback of his camera body. For example, with experience you get to manually focus very fast, and you know how to set your aperture and speed with a specific light. A good photographer does"nt absolutely need 1865-point bionic AF, multi-matrix-calibration-giga lightmetering, ultra-smooth-lightningfast film transport, etc. He can set his camera himself (and all slr's have the hability to be setted at a given exposure!)

But, a good photographer with a cheap lens will never get a sharp picture if there is chromatic abberation in his picture, or if his lens doesnt allow him to have an aperture he needs in low light...you get the point!

If you're talking about a digital slr, then the body has a lot to do with quality, but not with film camera.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:47 pm

Well thats true Rob! Joe was pushing me down the Canon path at first, but I still decided on Nikon anyways, I think there are more pros who use Nikon's rather that Canon. He is the guy who told me what are good lenses what are bad and so on..........

How did you get started with Nikon instead of Canon? Mike sure helped me out also, you remember when I was playing all the guessing games and couldn't decide what I want, but final choice was Nikon. Now its my skills that need to be worked on.  Smile

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I would definatley go with a good lense and a cheaper body if you don't have much choice.

Good luck with your choice.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 1:55 pm

Alaskaairlines wrote:

>Joe was pushing me down the Canon path at first, but
>I still decided on Nikon anyways, I think there are
>more pros who use Nikon's rather that Canon.

Before getting my new Nikon SLR, I also thought for getting Canon. However, there is one word to describe the Canon cameras and that is why I didn't end on those: plastic.  Big grin

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:16 pm

Joge,

The cheap line of Canons like the Rebels are Plastic. I don't think Nikon has a range that cheap. But you take a look at the good ones, and its a different story - they are either metal or high-tech composites (not plastic), and I'll use my EOS 1v as a brick to bash up your Nikon any day  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:29 pm

Well it would take a lot of Canon to bash up my F5 if possible! Charles I am sure you know how rugged and strong they are. Well I have never seen a 1V what you have, but I am sure its great, at least the results are! Isn't that what Joe uses also? 10 fps? Pretty good! but I think guys use what they start out with, because its way to expensive to switch if anybody decides to!

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Tue Apr 09, 2002 4:51 pm

Thanks for the comments. I think from what has been said my lens is more important which regards to upgrading than my camera body.

I appreciate the help

Im going to leave this message before it turns into a full out Canon Vs Nikon debate! (we all know Canon is best  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)

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RE: What Improves Quality More? New Lens Or Camera?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:10 am

Yeah yeah................Nikon is pretty well esablished in the professional market, but Canon is trying to keep up.  Smile

Well see what happens.

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