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Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:12 am

G'Day
I already found a few topics regarding spotting at LAX and HNL but no one at GUM.

The reason why I just opened another one was, because I would like to know following things:

1. Whats the situation at the moment in the US since last September? Do you get in trouble if they see you taking pictures or hanging around the airport?
Do you still have access to the gates or are you already checked outside?

2. Where is the best place to take pics at LAX? I don't have a car with me and I'm staying at the Marriott I think. Where to go from there to take nice shots? Whats about the traffic?
I heard about a spotter place with a fast food restaurant or something like this, where is exactly? Is a bus available to go over there?

3. I think I will stay at HNL in the "Pacific Marina Inn" anyone knows it? Where can I go from there to the airport to take pics? I have seen in another topic that there is a nice place where you have to walk around 4 miles. Where is it exactly, how an I get there?

4. In GUM I will stay near the airport, whats going on over there? A lot of traffic over there? Where is the best place?

Any help would be great!
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:51 am

While I wouldn't be able to help you with specific spotting information at these airports, I will say that access to the gates is restricted to ticketed passengers only, aka. you must have a ticket to go to the gate areas.

The photography situation can vary from airport to airport, but know that if someone tells you photography is illegal, it's NOT! (Just don't take pictures of the security check points, duh!)

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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:58 am

3. ....HNL...I have seen in another topic that there is a nice place where you have to walk around 4 miles. Where is it exactly, how an I get there?

Yup, and since 9/11 good luck getting there. Lagoon Drive is the road that takes you to pretty much all remaining decent spots at HNL and it has a roadblock w/ a security post. I managed to flash my airline ID and act like i knew what i was doing and got through back in March but some friends of mine on the islands weren't so lucky.

Anyone who spends a decent amount of time in Hawaii will discover it's warm, rich, socialistic tendancies which does not bid well for spotters.


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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:56 pm

Thanks so far for the replies...

LAX
Where is this place where you can get great South CA Burgers?
Approach at LAX is most time from west, isen't it?

HNL
And where at HNL is a good place not too far to walk and no problems with the police? Where should I go, especially in the late afternoon...
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:02 am

Almost all approaches are from the EAST not the west.
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Tue Apr 30, 2002 6:03 pm

Where is N Out Burgers and how can I get there?
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 01, 2002 3:59 am

The In And Out Burger Restaurant is located just north and east of 24R. If you walk north on Sepulvida Blvd. you can't miss it. And if you like hamburgers and fries this is one of the best places in So Cal to get a burger. They also have tables outside to sit on, eat, and watch the planes roar overhead.
Just to the south and across the street is a small grassy area (like a park) designated for people to watch the planes, so take advantage of it also.
Hope you have a wonderful time at LAX and when you make it to IN And Out, order a Double-Double, it's the BEST!
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 01, 2002 10:16 am

The Proud Bird Rest. is good at LAX for 25L approaches. They even had 2 porta-pots. You could probably walk there from the Mariott.
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Thu May 02, 2002 8:16 am

Swissgabe-
At HNL, go out to lagoon drive to spot, that is your best bet. If there is a roadblock, tell them that you are going on the seaplane tour. There is a small tour company that operates a DHC Beaver on tours around Oahu, which is really fun by the way. The pilot even let me fly the plane one time. Just tell them you are going on the float-plane tour, and this will surely get you past the checkpoint. Make sure you have an ID because they will probably ask you for one. They aren't that anal about security here in Hawaii as far as I've experienced.
I used to take pictures from Hickam, but I wouldn't want to try that now. That was the best spot if you could get on the base, which I was able to do prior to 9/11. Have fun and try not to get a sunburn.
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Thu May 02, 2002 8:17 am

Swissgabe-
At HNL, go out to lagoon drive to spot, that is your best bet. If there is a roadblock, tell them that you are going on the seaplane tour. There is a small tour company that operates a DHC Beaver on tours around Oahu, which is really fun by the way. The pilot even let me fly the plane one time. Just tell them you are going on the float-plane tour, and this will surely get you past the checkpoint. Make sure you have an ID because they will probably ask you for one. They aren't that anal about security here in Hawaii as far as I've experienced.
I used to take pictures from Hickam, but I wouldn't want to try that now. That was the best spot if you could get on the base, which I was able to do prior to 9/11. Have fun and try not to get a sunburn.
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Mon May 13, 2002 12:26 am

thanks for the infos, the hint with the seaboat thing I got too late. I'm already back...

at LAX I had one of this In n Out Burgers, just great!
Also the place over there is very nice, but only in the afternoon.
Checked out also the place near the Proud Bird and inside the Cargo Parking space a police men just kicked me out but without getting into problems.


At HNL I tried to go along the lagoon drive, but no change, the police officer told me a strange history that taking pictures at HNL would be forbidden by FAA and I would have to pay a fee if he would catch me again taking pictures. Inside the terminal was at least nice...
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Tue May 14, 2002 6:03 am

Glad to hear you had a good time at LAX and that you liked the In And Out Burger. A friend of mine from Belgium (Philipe Bleus) was here last Friday and we spent thw whole day taking pictures at different locations around LAX. We also hit the In And Out as well as the Proud Bird Restaurant, nothing better than a good meal after a long day of spotting, right!
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Tue May 14, 2002 5:22 pm

Thats it, I likes LAX very much, there are very nice spots to hang around the airport and the traffic is also very special, especially if you like Asian Airlines you got the right place to take pictures...

My favorite location in the United Staates to take pics. Have been 3 nights in LA and I didn't move more than a half mile from the airport away  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Btw: In N Out, where do they have other outlets in the USA?
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 3:49 am

Sorry man, In n' Out is exclusivly SoCal, I miss those burgers too! (and the shakes!!! Big grin )

I agrree, LAX is really great for photos, mainly because you can get pretty close to the action. Nothing beats eating an In n' Out burger while a 747-400 screams over your head Big grin
 
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 4:07 am

You can get an In And Out Burger in Las Vegas also.............
 
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 4:32 am

Yeah, burgers with a 744 over the head is something nice...
Well, here at ZRH there are also some nice places where you can eat your burger where planes approach or just take of around 100-200 feets away from you...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 4:20 pm

Trying to take pictures in HNL is a pain in the A**, and I even fly for Hawaiian Airlines! A few weeks ago I was asked to take a couple pictures of our 717's on approach for our weekly pilot newsletter. I walked out lagoon drive, and stopped about a hundred yards short of the security hut (they were landing 26). As I got my camera ready two Coast Guard guys drove by and stopped, telling me I couldn't take pictures on airport property. I showed them my airline ID and told them what I was doing, but even though I am a pilot, and taking pictures of my own planes, they (and the guard that had joined us by then) said no. They had just stopped a Japanese tourist taking pictures, and made him erase all the pictures on his digital camera too. It makes no sense, but this is the peoples republic of Hawaii, and they just love their power. I doubt It'll change in HNL for some time. If you do go out lagoon drive to take pics and are caught, count on getting your film destroyed (at least) and maybe your camera taken away too. Aloha.

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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 4:26 pm

Wow man, that means I'm lucky just being told not taking pictures over here. They didn't touch my camera, they just told me to go away...

Btw, the police men told me the FAA is forbidding to take pictures at HNL. HAL, to you think this isen't correct?
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 4:50 pm

The FAA has nothing to do with it. It was a directive from the Airport Manager so he can boss people around. He likes having the local TV crews come and beg him for permission to film on airport property. The security people just say it's the FAA because that makes people behave. But Hawaii being what it is, nobody is going to make a big deal out of it. They just obey and go on their way.

Also, you may have noticed at the security checkpoints leading into the concourses a small drawing of a camera with a red circle and slash through it. I suppose that means no photography inside the terminal too, but the only writing on it was in Japanese. I guess it's OK for locals to take pictures, but not the tourists. Just another bit of security overkill.

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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Wed May 15, 2002 5:38 pm

Yeah, I thought so because in LAX there where no problem. Why should the FAA forbid it in HNL and not in mainland...

Doesn't this sign you mentioned just mean don't take pictures at the security check point? Well, I think its everywhere forbidden to take pictures at such points, same as immigration etc...

At least I have been able to make a few nice shots from the terminal!


Btw: How is it around GUM? I didn't have had time to walk around the airport and to try to get a few shots except a few from inside the terminal near the gate. Also the traffic over there, well, I only say CO...
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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Sun May 19, 2002 7:52 pm

Sad to hear that our local airport security people are being dickheads, but that's about par for the course here...

I haven't even tried photography here in HNL any time since 9/11 outside the terminal, and won't bother. Anyone know how things are over at Kahului?

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RE: Spotting: LAX, HNL & GUM (update)

Mon May 20, 2002 1:55 am

It makes no sense, but this is the peoples republic of Hawaii, and they just love their power. I doubt It'll change in HNL for some time. If you do go out lagoon drive to take pics and are caught, count on getting your film destroyed (at least) and maybe your camera taken away too. Aloha.

Since when is it no longer one of the united states!! Since when do they have extra power? Now i know you're just being facetious, but seriously, people's republic of my left nut, this is still america and i know alot of hawaiians dont like that but tough sh*t.

What a story though, like i mentioned earlier in the post, i flashed my airport ID (which happens to be from Indiana!! haha) and confidently said "yeah, i'm going to the continental hangar" and they let me right through the checkpoint. I went to the end and took some pictures, then i snuck across the bushes on the east side of the road (some of you know what im talking about) and even set up a tripod, but i was pretty careful not to get caught.

Also, you may have noticed at the security checkpoints leading into the concourses a small drawing of a camera with a red circle and slash through it.

YES! i saw this and since there is really no explaination, they can use that sign for whatever "picture taking" they want to regulate.

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anyway, as i mentioned earlier... Anyone who spends a decent amount of time in Hawaii will discover it's warm, rich, socialistic tendancies which does not bid well for spotters.

Well I say "Go for it hawaii!!" seperate yourself from the shelter of the USA and become a communistic little utopia!! Watch your economy spin into nothing, watch your island turn into a colony of dictatorship, crime, and chaos.

Aloha and Mahalo,

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HNL Question

Fri May 24, 2002 12:28 am

I plan on going to Hawaii in August and I work for Korean Air.
Two questions about this subject, basically directed to the guy that works for Hawaiian Airlines.

Has anyone formally complained to the airport director or FAA about this policy of not allowing any photography around the airport? If it isn't against the law, etc. why is this airport director being such an a**?

Would it be possible to e-mail me off the list and give me any instructions or directions on where to go to try and take some shots, using my KE id?

jaydavis8@attbi.com

Thanks!


Jay

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