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Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 5:56 pm

Hello,

This should not be treated as a complain, just want to start a nice discussion....that's all.

Has a.net going Digital all the way.
It seems to me that the standards have risen quite a bit in the last couple of months, especially once the database was flooded with Digital images.

I don't have a problem with Digital at all, but you have to draw the line somewhere, between Digital and Analog photography. No one, even the top photographers are able to produce the same quality with a SLR than some others with a Digital SLR.

I have seen some Digital images where I was asking myself, has this only be accepted b/c it is Digital, the motiv sucked and it was an overcast day, the plane to far in the distance etc......

This is not a petition to lower the quality standards, rather than looking at pictures taken with an analog SLR in a different way. (Screeners)

I know it is hard to seperate, but we have to ask ourselves or Johan:

where is this heading.....????

Anyone cares to comment.
Pls be constructive. I don't want this to end in a whining and bitching session


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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:04 pm

I see a link to older discussions on whether $$$$ equipment was required to have photos accepted here. Back then the outcome of those discussions was no, you can still achieve good results with standard equipment.
But now, digital SLRs are taking such a giant leap forward in photo quality that the answer now seems to be yes.
From the a.net view, only the result counts, i.e. high quality pictures, but from the photog's standpoint, those without digital SLRs might appreciate if their photos aren't judged the same way as digital pics.
I have no idea if this dilemma can be solved.

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:05 pm

I think Vasco is right - its very difficult to get shots accepted using traditional print film, unless you have a decent negative scanner. Same for slides. Some scanned images from a print will be able to "sneak in" but the vast majority of the additions of late have been clearly digital. Certainly the underlying trend will be towards digital (arguments about film processing costs aside) as this is the best medium to display images on the net.
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:24 pm

Hi all

I wouldn't say it is difficult to get shots accepted with traditional film:

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Digital seems to be the way forward in the future, mainly for easiness

Being a Screener, I still view digital and print/slide the same. No preferences.

I got the digital SLR as I had some 'spare' cash. If I didn't, I would still have my old Canon EOS1000.

The above pictures were taken with this antiquated camera and Kodak print film.

With the right film, great shots can be had. Not being big headed but the above are a prime example.

Not everyone has the money for a digital SLR. They are currently still expensive. If I didn't have some 'spare' cash.....I wouldn't have got one  Sad

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:40 pm

Gary,

I guess you missed the point.
I was not saying that it is super difficult to get slides or prints accepted.

The point I was trying to get across is that Digital shooters seemed to be going away with almost everything.......



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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:48 pm

Yes!, I've also found that there are some digital shots that shouldn't have been accepted (IMHO): dull conditions, bad tone balance setting, totally unreal colours... No, I'm not going to link to some examples, but I'm sure some of you now what I mean. Please, note that I've said "some"...

Anyway, I don't think that scanned film uploads are more difficult to get accepted now (at least I haven't experienced this with mines).

I was tempted to start a discusion like this so thanks, Vasco, you've saved me the effort...

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:48 pm

From my point of view Johan has always carried the "quality-flag" very high, and this together with all the other features has made this site so unique.

Quality standards rise everytime and everywhere (cars, houses, work...) and its normal that a.net should "honour" the better quality of digital cameras. Unfortunatelly the d-SLR's are still very expensive and not accessible for many guys. But what would most of you say if a D60 or a D100 would cost 1.000,- USD or less? Would you still argue or buy it and upload here at once?

Its clear that the screeners have an easier time screening photos from digicams then from older scanners. Sometimes you've to reject scans from all-time and hardcore contributors, just because their scanner is not 'state of the art' any more, they are dirty or not scanned with enough dedication.

I think the question is very easy: Which importancy does a.net have for you and your hobby? If this grade is high, I suggest to buy a d-SLR or a high-end slide scanner. You will be able to forget this kind of discussions and provide this site with the most perfect result of your photographic work.

BTW: A d-SLR is also good for other kind of photography. I've enjoyed a lot my D30 during a recent holiday trip. Some photos are in an album at Yahoo and can be send to friends and family around the globe, other have been printed on photo paper with an amazing result.

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 6:54 pm

This happens sometimes. It doesnt mean that someone out of a specific category (digital, print, slide, 1st class photographer, not 1st class, .... ) is going away with almost everything.
I think everyone sees pictures sometimes where she/he might think "What the hell is this good for?". But if you dont like it dont open it. Variety is the spice of life isnt it?
There are a lots of different tastes out there so lets have a lot of different views on here.
Speaking for myself i also think sometimes, man theres only fog and a shadow visible, but you don't have to open the big one and if you do and dont like it well then it wasnt your taste and that was it.
It has nothing to do with the equipment you took the shot. If the quality is OK it will show up here.
Maybe my point of view is too simple but thats me  Smile
And theres no offense intended here.
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 7:01 pm

Hi all

Vasco, maybe I did miss the point but I quote from you:

>>The point I was trying to get across is that Digital shooters seemed to be going away with almost everything<<

I don't think your statement is true Vasco.

Digital and print/slide are treated the same.

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 7:05 pm

Just to come back on Gary's point - yes - you can get print shots accepted, but its difficult if judged against digital and equally so, if you're not an established name.
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 7:32 pm

I think that more and more digital shots are being added here but less of the standard shots are being added. yes digital cameras have come a long way but i think there should be a box to tick when you upload as to weather it is a digital shot or scanned from a neg or slide so a little bit of give and take can be given.
 
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Thu May 02, 2002 7:37 pm

Vasco (and all),

I know that with my conventional SLR and lenses, I can produce an image every bit as sharp as pretty much any digital shooter. The difference is that my result ends up on film, their's ends up on a HD or CD.

Having looked through a lot of images on a.net over the year or so I've been here, I also know that I can scan a slide and get a result that holds its own against the rest of the scanned images - a reasonable result, and certainly one that is usually accepted here.

However, I also know that I cannot usually produce a scanned image that has the same smoothness, the same lack of grain, as is exhibited by the results from the quality end of the digital market - and note, I say the quality end. I also think that some of the far more experienced photographers who scan images have the same problem, or at least I think they do if I compare their results with some of the best of the digital stuff that's around.

I know there are standards, and I believe that these standards are currently set at a level that means that a photographer who goes about scanning in a consistant and quality oriented manner can still get results accepted, here. But it must be awefully difficult for the screeners - OK, so digital images can have their own unique problems, but faced with a super-smooth and sharp digital image, and following on from that a scan which probably doesn't have the quite the same look (has grain, etc), it must be tempting to reject the scanned image because it isn't as good as the previously viewed digital image in some way or another. As digital original images get more and more prevalent, probably because of the convenience if nothing else, this apparent gap is going to get more and more noticable - the screeners will see more and more digital images, and less scanned images, and the perception of quality difference in this reducing number of scanned images will subjectively get more and more marked. I suspect it inevitable that eventually the bar will be raised to the point where all but the very very best users of scanners will find themselves excluded, at least for regular material that can be catpured by anyone - the rare material is of course a different matter, where much of it simply isn't available on digital anyway.


Of course, all of this only applies to images that end up in a digital environment. I've yet to be convinced that a digital camera can produce a hard copy image to as high a quality as a good slide, certainly at higher print sizes.

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 7:38 pm

F27

I think this was discussed at one point and Johan was against it saying they are all to be treated the same.

Maybe someone can confirm?

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Thu May 02, 2002 7:42 pm

I don't think stuff should be judged based upon the equipment used, only the final result.
But, I think it should be looked more on the aesthetic qualities of the shot. Everyone who has tried to scan a slide shot in dull weather will know that you will get a lot of grain and noise in the scan, which makes it very hard to get a good result. This doesn't seem to be the same on digital cameras, so what do we get? Loads of shots taken in crappy weather that are aesthetically unpleasing (dull, washed out colours), they aren't bad, but they could be so much better. Just because it isn't blurry or has visible grain it doesn't make it a good shot.

Just my 2 cents...

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Thu May 02, 2002 7:43 pm

F27 said: I think there should be a box to tick when you upload as to weather it is a digital shot or scanned from a neg or slide so a little bit of give and take can be given

I think you'll find that Johan is keen that pictures are judged on the same basis, where digital or scanned, and that the only exceptions are "rare" subjects. In general I agree with that approach. I actually don't think that the look of digital images will get much better than they are now, at least not at current screen resolutions (note I mean the look of them on screen, rather than the quality of the base image on a hard disk or CD). The problem is that quality digital images are going to get more prevalent, and thus the perceived slightly lower quality many of the scanned images will get more and more noticable, to the point where eventually the standards bar gets raised again.
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 7:54 pm

Just to say, Skymonster sums it up nicely.
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 9:06 pm

I fully agree with Vasco and Andy (Skymonster).

I shoot slides for my collection and it's part of my hobby to exchange them and to meet other guys at the conventions. And as Andy said, no digital SLR can produce the same quality as any conventional SLR on slide film.
So I don't want to change to digital!!! (It's not because of the price of the digital SLR's, which seem to be very cheap for me when I think about the money I spend for the loads of Kodachrome rolls that I shoot)

But the digital pictures turn out far better on the monitor than scanned slides. And that's the point! A few month ago I have had an acceptance rate of more than 90% here at a.net! Over the last weeks the rate completely changed to less than 10% without any changes in the quality of my scans. Well, I have to say that the rate went much higher after appealing for some of the rejections, but I also think that nowadays it's much harder to have scanned pictures accepted than pictures taken with a digital camera.  Sad

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Thu May 02, 2002 9:06 pm

Andy, I'm fully with you, and that's my major concern.
I'm totally happy with my slides, but my three-year old scanner is now at its limits. Now, do I buy a new scanner or a digital SLR? Problem is, I still want to continue with my slide collection AND contribute to a.net. Solution would be to shoot both, if a D60 was more affordable...

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Thu May 02, 2002 9:39 pm

Torben, Konstantin,

I've made my decision - it is going to be very painful because of the initial cost, but I'm getting more and more convinced. I am going to have a digital SLR, probably a D60, and probably not too far into the future. I am not doing this for airliners.net, but rather because of the other benefits digital will bring for me - reduced film costs, opportunities to try out new creative ideas without costing me in sometimes wasted film and processing, permanency and durability of the results (I think a CD will last longer than a negative or slide), ease of getting prints without having to send a potentially valuable slide to a photo processor, the ability to suddenly increase the ISO setting if I need to, etc, etc.

However, I cannot and will not give up on slides and will therefore have to retain two bodies - one for slides for the more special subjects, ramp shots, etc, and the other digital for the rest. As for airliners... as and when I have a digital camera, I suspect that the majority of my submissions will come from it rather than from film.

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 9:46 pm

> I think a CD will last longer than a negative or slide

Yes, but who knows which new standards/formats there will be in the future? Just think how rapid the development has been over the last years.

But all in all, your dual strategy makes perfect sense to me!

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Thu May 02, 2002 9:54 pm

> I think a CD will last longer than a negative or slide
>
> Yes, but who knows which new standards/formats
> there will be in the future? Just think how rapid the
> development has been over the last years.

Backwards compatibility will mean CDs will be around for a long time, and facilities to copy them onto any new media that comes along will be available even longer. And copying a digital image can be done without degredation of the result, which isn't true of film where a new generation copy reduces the quality of the original.

On this subject, [I think it was] Charles Falk said something very significant on this forum recently - something to the effect that he was scanning all of his slides for archival purposes. Makes you think...

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Thu May 02, 2002 10:18 pm

My oldest slides are from 1988 (and they're not K64...), but I've already scanned the really good/interesting ones...

OK, let's hope that there will be backward compatibility and not something completely different.

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 10:58 pm

I totally agree with you Vasco!

In my opinion airliners.net should be a site where photographers can upload photos no matter if you shoot prints, slides or digital.
But as you said Vasco, it feels like airliners.net is going digital all the way. It is getting harder and harder to get prints and slides accepted.

I think it's a pity that everyone think the ones that shoot digital are the best photographers. In matter of fact it's often the camera that makes them good as photographers. If you are good photographer it's you that make the camera good. One example:

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 11:16 pm

A question to all of you who use both a digital SLR and a conventional one: What do you do if you're shooting approaches? You certainly won't manage to use both cameras for one plane.

That's the main reason why I keep with my slides. I would like to have my shots stored on one media (slides because that is the most common) with the same quality. Beside the rapid development on the digital SLR market with better and more expensive new products in the future I also hope for a new "generation" of slide scanners which can produce digital images with a quality that is close to the one produced by digital SLRs.

Concerning airliners.net: I don't think that shots should be seperated into digital and non-digital. The screeners should judge by quality only, but as it was said before, the quality standard should not be increased just because a new digital SLR appeared on the market. Remember that there are far more slide and print shooters out there than those with digital cameras. The majority of them doesn't upload to this site, but perhaps they intend to do so in the future. All those beautiful shots from the past are not digital and it would certainly make no sense to reject them because they don't reach the increasing quality standards.
Nevertheless, I would still appreciate if the photographers add if their pic is digital or on slide/print film either as a comment or in a new equipment section which has already been proposed by several member of this forum.

The reason why some slide shooters think that "a digital SLR owner just have to go out no matter what the weather is like and press the button" in order to get some shots accepted at airliners.net is quite simple: they just do it! If you take slides you wouldn't even think about going out in bad conditions, but if you own a digital SLR you think: why not? It's for free.


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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Thu May 02, 2002 11:29 pm

"If you are good photographer it's you that make the camera good."

Well said. But if you are a good photographer and have a digital SLR you certainly have an advantage. I don't think that people with digital SLRs are good photographers, but Chris, Jason, Gary and Peter certainly are excellent!


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Thu May 02, 2002 11:45 pm

Uuups
Thanks Frank  Smile
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 12:14 am

Hey Zander,
you mean I have a crappy camera?  Angry

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Fri May 03, 2002 12:30 am

It is getting harder and harder to get prints and slides accepted.


I think you will find that the standards are increasing for everything, not just slides and prints.
 
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Fri May 03, 2002 12:55 am

Well. I feel that digital really has more chance. A good digital image has a 'rounder' lok to it (if you know what I mean!) I have had experiance with both normal and digital albeit a cheaper end one.

I have come to the conclusion that if you want your work to mainly be for computer / internet use then got digital and if you want a real copy, shoot prints or slides.

I now only shoot prints as this is what I want personally. I took the decision I was more intersted in having a hard copy not just on CD.

Back to accepteance. I think its hard to judge because we dont know everyones % acceptance and rejection rates. I thin both are given a fare chance

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 1:03 am

Yo FUAirliner, what kinda weirdass comment was this?!

"I don't think that people with digital SLRs are good photographers".
 
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Fri May 03, 2002 1:24 am

I think Frank meant that he didn't think that people with digital SLRs are automatically good photographers.


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Fri May 03, 2002 1:33 am

As far as I can see, all shots are given a fair chance. They go through screening and each shot is assessed on its merits. If the shot meets the site's standards then it gets in, if it doesn't, then you get that all too familiar e-mail...

Digital shots taken in mundane conditions get in because, as has been said above, the digital guys are actually there taking the shots and the digitals perform better in substandard conditions [right Peter?  Big grin]. They still have to meet the site's standards but, providing that is the case, they deserve to be included.

If you start to take equipment into consideration by having a digital / non-digital checkbox then you start down a very slippery slope in my opinion. Is the next step to be an 'L' series lens checkbox so the guys with the consumer lenses can be judged on lower standards or perhaps a 'crap tripod' checkbox for the night shot guys?

It seems that judging every image against a level set of standards in which the source device is not considered is the only fair way of doing it.



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Fri May 03, 2002 4:23 am

Jofa,

I don't think that people with digital SLRs are automatically good photographers, ...

Thanks, Jason.


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Fri May 03, 2002 4:35 am

I agree, a digital camera of any type doesn't mean you are any better as a photographer.

In fact, digital SLR most of all, some digital-SLR shots I have seen could have been mistaken for prints (aka Mr top class photographer Gary Watt with his AWESOME print shots back there, greaT!), whereas some are outstanding.

I think that digi-cams open up a whole new can of worms, things that you just couldn't do with an SLR, or didn't dare to are now available. I actually prefer shots where there is no sun, merely because it means you can shoot from anywhere. This is provided it is not too dark, but exposure compensation will sort that out.

Taking pictures takes ALOT of practise, if you want to be good, and digital gives you that immediately. It gives beginners a better chance because they learn from their mistakes IMMEDIATELY, not every photography trip. A beginner can learn the same amount in 4 photographs with a digi-cam than if he had an SLR. Simply because you can see the result straight away, and rectify it.

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Fri May 03, 2002 8:08 am

FUAirliner
Ok, that makes more sence.  Smile
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 8:35 am

"I don't think that people with digital SLRs are good photographers".

I don't think so either, just like Skywalkers dad they have gone over to the dark side!

Staffan (DRD)  Laugh out loud

 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 9:18 am

Zander said

"I guess the real 1st class photographers are the ones that stay with analog equipment"

Interesting point, what's your definition of a first class photographer, A Media pro who does it day in/day out. most of them are on Digital these days, It's simply a case of economics, or are you talking about people like Paul Dopson, Andy Hunt, Colin Work, Gary Watt, Joe Pries, Vasco Garcia, Air Nikon. All of these guys are great. Some even don't shoot digital, doesn't mean that there shots are any better or any worse. The finished image will look better on the monitor from a Digital camera but give any of these guys a standard camera and they'll still come home with the bacon. Just for some itis more convenient to shoot digital, some it's more convenient to shoot slides. Some prefer hard copies.
You make the decision that best suites you, and after all, if you do not change with the times (sometimes which i don't neccessarily agree with) you wouldn't ever have gotten out of Nappies.

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Fri May 03, 2002 4:22 pm

J:
I dont know if the digitals do better perform in substandard conditions, but the chance is higher to get a decent shot because you dont have to worry about development costs of photos or even rolls of film you shot without knowing if they will turn out. You just have a wider selection to pick out the best ones.
I think a conventional will produce the same results, but nobody does it because of the costs involved.
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 5:48 pm

Glenn,
I am just teasing a bit with Gary, he is so sure about he is a 1st class photographer, otherwise I shouldn't have mentioned something about 1st class photographers at all Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 7:39 pm

Why airliners .net has gone more for the digital shots i do not know and will never know but it has stopped a lot of people from uploading here. I am also one who likes the slides and hard copies trading all over the world.
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Fri May 03, 2002 9:40 pm

Let's consider why shots get rejected from A.net

Duplicates, common, not centered, blurry, over sahrpened, exposure, contrast, and of course the infamous "bad motive".

In none of these cases does the digi cam offer any advantage. In fact, unless you own a Canon 1D or possibly a Nikon D1X, top end SLRs will give you a better AF and exposure system than any digicam currently available.

So IMHO the only people who have possible grounds for complaint are those suffering from "bad scan" rejections.

Since it is patently obvious that HQ scans are still possible and very acceptable the harsh but logical conclusion is that people are either working from poor originals or not getting the best out of their scanner. It would be very easy blame it on digicams raising the standard, but there are plenty in this forum who will demonstrate they can match digital output with a scanner (Joe Pries springs to mind, amongst others).

A digicam, it is true, can make it much less work to get A.net quality pics. So you have a choice - put more effort into getting good scans or spend some money on a digicam.

Cheers

Colin
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Sat May 04, 2002 12:06 am

F27 - eh? How has a.net 'gone more digital'? The only way I can see that is that the standards have gone too high for some people using bad equipment badly, and we are left with the people who can use their equipment properly, and as digital cameras are alot easier to use where A.NET is concerned, their are alot more digital images than conventional slides and prints...
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Sat May 04, 2002 3:19 am

Colin, as always, makes valid points. I was looking for some BA images, and lets face facts, a digi images is going to win hands down, in terms of clarity to a print scan, unless your using top quality film or high end scanners. For example, I think Gary Watt uses top end professional print film for the images highlighted above. (please correct if I'm mistaken).

Just looking at LGW' s scans, my point is pretty clear. I don't think image 111776 would have stood a chance of being uploaded today viz-a-viz a digi image.


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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Sat May 04, 2002 4:37 am

Colin,

it certainly is possible to get scans (from slides/negatives) accepted on airliners.net, but these scans are now close to borderline cases. Once (before airliners.net was flooded with digital SLRs) they used to be the highest possible quality for digital images. What I'm worried about is that one day the quality difference between a scan produced by a decent slide scanner and a digital SLR gets too big which might result in considering most of the slide scans below the borderline. The standards have risen a lot in the course of the time, but currently the quality improvement is a lot faster and better on the digital camera market than on the scanner market, so I expect the difference to increase in the near future.
The quality standards here depend on what gets uploaded. If the next generation of digital SLRs produces an even better quality than the current products the slide shooters will have be very good at scanning.


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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Sat May 04, 2002 5:15 am

Frank ... and others - yes, digital cameras may accelerate an already evolving standard. But this site has continually improved the standard in my time here, so no change really ... except the rate!

But I think my point still stands ... the majority of rejections are for reasons unrelated to the equipment used - if you get the exposure, composition or focus wrong, it doesn't matter if you use a box brownie or Hassleblad. I am concerned that "digital" will be used by some as an easy excuse for not taking a hard, objective, look at their own pics and the reasons they were rejected.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Sat May 04, 2002 8:54 am

Yes, and remember that improving standards means that only digital shooters who really take pictures for the internet along with other multimedia will be the bulk of A.net, and you guys shooting on conventional will be the ones with hard copies trading slides etc.
 
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RE: Digital SLR Images Now Standard At A.net?

Sun May 12, 2002 1:52 am

However, I would immediately stop to contribute on A.N. in any way, if the day would be come, on which A.N. would only accept digital shots.

I have not many pictures here on A.N., but some of them are not common. If I have the chance to take some unique photos, I never would use a digital camera. The photos of a digital camera are virtual, the photos of a conventional film camera are real.

First of all, I take photos for me, not for A.N. I enjoy to see my slides on a screen in a huge format - this never would be possible with a jpeg or a tif photo (or do you have a beamer?).

If you are only taking photos for A.N.- go digital, if you are taking photos for yourself, stay analog.

But that's just an unimportant opinion. We can't stop the development and photographie on film is at last a technology from the last but one century.

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