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D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 7:48 am

What are the differences in quality between the Canon D30 and Olympus' C2100 Ultra Zoom (or even C1700 the lower priced one)? I know the canon has the CMOS chip versus the Olympus' CCD for picture processing. but is there a difference in the output? Also, how is the quality of the lens of that 10x zoom compared to a typical Canon EF 28-90 lens?

I own two Canon EF lenses that i could use with the D30 if i got one, and then sell only my EOS300 body. My other option is to get a cheaper Olympus, and then sell the complete Canon EOS300 setup with both lenses, and then down the road if i want to go digital SLR i will need to re-purchase Canon lenses which would cost even more.

bruce

so, i am wondering if it really is worth it to get the D30.
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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 7:56 am

I think that's the same as to compare a Subaru Impreza with a Citroen Saxo Cup.

But who am I to say this? just kidding.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 8:07 am

They are in 2 completely different leagues. The D30 is the best way to go, at least, that's my opinion...

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 8:10 am

D30 definitely.

The 30 wins on smoothness at higher ISO, pixel count and the autofocus speed of the EF lenses. Battery life is better for a CMOS sensor.

What it boils down to is can you get a good price on a D30?

Which Canon lenses do you own? If they are reasonable ones, I would not hesitate to go down the DSLR route.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 9:48 am

Hi,

I uses an C2100 and I love it!
But if you have the money go for the D30!!!

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 10:29 am

Currently i own a EF 28-90 and a EF 100-300 both non-image stabilizing however.

The Olympus "claims" to have image stabilizer.

I have seen some D30 on ebay probably around $1,000 just the body - twice as much as the olympus.

Luis, I've never heard of a Citroen Saxo cup so I don't know if your comment was good or bad!!  Laugh out loud
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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 12:59 pm

Hello
I'm using the C-2100 but i'm only a beginner.But I can say that the image stabilizer does work quite well.Only problem I have with the camera is that you do lose alot of image quality at full zoom.I have yet to get a single shot at max zoom that I would say is even good enough to keep.But again,I am only a beginner.It's not a bad camera for the price.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 8:07 pm

Bruce,
http://www.citroen.com/site/htm/en/range/particuliers/saxo/01 has some info about the Saxo.
I'd go for the D30 in your situation, you might want to buy the newer Canon DSLR, D60.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Tue May 07, 2002 8:14 pm

The Saxo replaced the 2CV to give you an idea of size and functionality  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

My current dreammachine is the Nikon D100, but it's still over my self-imposed limit for what I will spend on a body.
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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Wed May 08, 2002 7:27 am

Hi,

To see a comparison between the D30 and the 2100 see this page http://mitglied.lycos.de/planespotters/digital-samples.htm

If you have the budget for a D30, buy it. The 2100 is a very good camera with good results, but obviously it can't beat the D30 on quality , only on the price.

It is taken from the digital photography section at my website at http://surf.to/spotter

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What Lens Do You Use

Fri May 17, 2002 3:32 am

for anyone shooting with a D30 or D60, what is your "basic" lens? You know that there is a 1.6x multiplication factor with Canon's smaller CMOS sensor so it reduces your photo capture area. Usually people get a 28 - ? or 35 - ? lens with a standard SLR but even with 28mm lens you will have the equivalent of 44mm! So if you want to be able to capture a wide shot, what do you do?

Are there converters available to screw onto Canon lenses for that? (wide converter?) or do you all have to go out and buy expensive new lenses?

You'd need to get a 19 - 35mm lens to have the same width in your shot as you'd have in an EOS film camera - and usually those wider lenses are very expensive!

Has anyone here shot with a D30 and a 28 or 35mm lens and are you happy with the field of view that you are able to capture?

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Fri May 17, 2002 2:31 pm

For wide shot I use Canon fisheye 15mm 1:2.8
 
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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Fri May 17, 2002 2:34 pm

I don't mean "wide" like creating a special effect. I mean a good, all-around wide angle like the 28mm is to the film version of the D30. I shoot with 28-90 on the EOS300 and wide is beautiful. not TOO wide but allows me to get a whole scene.
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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Fri May 17, 2002 4:49 pm

Well the 1.6 multiplier is a big plus for me, as I love shooting long shots - I guess my "standard" lens is the 100-400L IS. For the wide stuff I've got a 17-35mm, which is good enough for most situations. In the event I need real wide angle coverage, I've hung on to an EOS 3 body ... which I've used precisely 0 times since I got the D60!

One seldom mentioned advantage of the "crop factor" is the fact that in effect the sensor is ignoring the edges of the image captured by the lens - since this is invariably the area of the image with the poorest optical quality, the crop factor actually results in a minor qaulity improvement on you images.

Interestingly, the much hyped Contax "full size" sensor DSLR is running into problems again - even sample pics have been withdrawn from the Japanese web site. Rumour is that they are putting in a new sensor to try and improve the quality.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Fri May 17, 2002 9:49 pm

Bruce...
For the wide stuff I use a Cheapy Tokina 19-35mm, so even with the conversion factor of the D30, I can still get a decent shot and wide enough to get close enough for detail.
I find that the Tokina is great at 19-24mm and not so great after that. The sharpness just isn't there. I took this shot using the Tokina lense.
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I only paid about $400 AUD for the lense and have been really impressed. It's great for apron shots at airshows!!

Hope this info helps...

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 1:51 am

I just noticed the Tokina model online, as well as similar ones by Vivitar and Tamron. Which one is a good quality? Anyone else had any experiences with those 3 lenses?

David, was that pic shown above taken at the widest range? It looks fairly sharp! Is your body a film or digital body?

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Another Question

Sat May 18, 2002 2:01 am

Also, is there a quality difference between "JPEG fine" and "RAW" on this camera? Would jpeg fine be high enough quality to upload here?

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 2:04 am

Try Sigma instead. I found a 17-35mm/2.8-4 model. I don't have any experience about it.

Click here to see what they say of it.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 2:25 am

Canon has already come out with it's new 16-35 f/2.8L zoom which I've heard is specially designed to DSLR's. There is also the 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 zoom which is quite often sold with the D30's and D60's. That makes 38-136mm on 35mm film which is enough wide for most of the people...

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 2:45 am

Jormy,

As I understood, cheap lenses were requested here. The Sigma costs a bit over 500 €, the Canon about four times that price: 2000 €.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 3:13 am

Joge,
Well, isn't that cheap?  Smile

Anyway the 24-85 is around 300 €.


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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 4:49 am

If you'd like some examples, I believe Paul Paulsen uses a D30. His shots are at LAX and have to be the best looking shots on this entire site. The zooms make it look like its 3 feet away. Amazing! Just search for "paulsen" and you'll get a ton of great shots!!!
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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 5:18 am

Yes he does. His pics are right up there among the "cleanest" on this site. I'm not sure what kind of lens he's using. Looks like he'd be zooming in from afar. Maybe a 300mm?

If I buy the D30 I want to be able to use it for all kinds of shooting, not just planes. Many aviation shots require us to use long zooms (unless you are on the ramp then you NEED wide angle for those big planes!). but other subjects might not fit all in the shot. I could buy a vivitar or Tokina 19mm lens which probably arent' the same quality level as the Canon EF lenses.

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RE: Another Question

Sat May 18, 2002 8:02 am

JPEG fine on D30/D60 is more than adequate for upload to a.net - and for good quality prints. The big advantage of RAW is a slight improvement in quality and less noise, but more importantly, the ability to apply camera settings after you've taken the shot - so, for example, if you shoot jpeg, you must decide at time of shooting which contrast, saturation and sharpness settings to use, which are then fixed. Shooting RAW, you can decide on these later - or make files with different settings. You can even add +/- 2 stops exposure compensation after you've taken the pic.

The catch is that RAW will take something like 3x the storage requirement of JPEG fine.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 1:30 pm

Bruce,
I too use the D30 and the shot was taken at it's widest with the Tokina lense. I use the large fine setting on the camera all the time for aviation shots, but for other things I use the small fine setting to save on space. If there is something special I really want to get, I'll use the RAW setting, but it doesn't happen often. All the shots I upload to A.net are using the large fine setting, and haven't had any problems thus far. Most of my rejections are bad esthetics, only because I try and find something different in what I take. I could go out to an airport and get good side on shots all the time, but choose not to.

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 2:16 pm

David,

That's a very nice quality shot for a cheaper lens. I assume you had to crop it, because it is at a wierd aspect ratio.

Went out with another shoot today and took 5 pics (only have the 8mb card in the 2100) and none worth keeping because they were a little fuzzy and extremely grainy. They were taken at the full extend of the Olympus 10x lens - even with the image stabilizer it's not that great. Plus, if I look very close I can still see a little purple around the plane's landing lights. I'm not happy with this. I never got purple with my EOS300 and Canon lenses.

There may very well be a D30 in my future.......

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RE: D30 Versus C2100

Sat May 18, 2002 7:31 pm

The reason for the purple is the limitations set by the CCD, high contrast is difficult to reproduce. On your EOS300, with film, that is not a problem, film is much more powerful than any CMOS/CCD.

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Joke

Sun May 19, 2002 2:48 pm

You gotta be kidding me ? No comparison - D30 blows most cameras out of the water -
 
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Joke Huh?

Sun May 19, 2002 10:11 pm

Perhaps it blows most scanners out of the water?
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Jup, Joke..

Sun May 19, 2002 10:56 pm

Jan... are you wrong sometimes? hehe...  Big thumbs up

Terry, there is no purple fringing to be seen in a D30 shot, that's because it has a very high quality CMOS. BUT the quality and information you can store on film is still a long way ahead of ANY CMOS/CCD. The way you digitalise that film maybe a problem, but the film itself (analogue) is superb.

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