Dazed767
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Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 11:15 am


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The first 3 photo's I have linked ALL show a face or multiple faces in the photo, and they were recent uploads. I just got a rejection for low quality and for having a face in the photo. "There
are some exceptions though."
I can't see why this is low quality (ok, it was dusk out, so I had to brighten this photo somewhat), but you can hardly see her face. The first time I blurred out her face, and the screener said "not a good idea". I've seen the blurring out the face on here before, I just can't find it right now. To the exceptions rule...this was the final departure of the 727....there is 1 cabin shot of an AA 727 in the DB...and it's from the 70's! It's the inconsistancy that drives me nuts. I just don't get it anymore....what do you think?
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 12:03 pm

i'm with you dude..i've seen the consistency here turn for the worse...that's why out of the last 5 months i've had 2 pictures added...what was good enough for a.net from me is not good enough now...and i know i always have to keep pushing myself and my skills and all that, but i never thought i was bad enough to have a 95% rejection rate...in a way i am starting all over again...learning everything again...

anyway i'll try and get back to the topic...i think it SHOULD be added because it was the last flight of the 727 for AA...i mean...someone go and count the vast number of photos from Delta's final L-1011 flight (no offense Justin & others)....and look at how many interior pics there are...and it's only the 2nd photo of an AA 727 interior in the database...so i say who gives a flying flip if there's people in it....it's the LAST AA 727 flight...oh well...i guess i'm just another photog complaining about the standards or the new 'rules' now...guess i should shut my mouth...i just think it should've been added...it's a cool shot (although i'm not the biggest fan of interior shots)...i just don't see that there are any real big reasons why it shouldn't be added...i mean come on...it's only the first interior shot of an AA 727 since the 70s...and besides, AA has changed the interior since then, so it could be considered new...

just my two cents...make of it what you will, i still don't think that this pic should have gotten the boot

jonathan d.
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 12:05 pm

Inconsistency is the driving force of life. Don't let it drive ya nuts. That's all I have ta say 'bout things that are a little inconsistent... Oh yeah - one more thing - who is to preach in this realm? Lately the "gods" have been doing a good job - however - they have also been "lacking somewhat lately"...
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 12:14 pm

I'm not trying to say "this was the final 727 flight, this should be added no matter what". I think the quality is fine (scan most of my stuff the same way), I don't think half the womans face should be a big deal. NOW, I wonder if my terminal shot was the face excuse. But I think both got rejected for the same reason.

http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=gateparty.jpg

And I see so many terminal shots too....this actually had a point to it.
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 12:31 pm

I'm with Justin on this...This has historical significance, it should have been added, IMO.

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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 5:06 pm

1 - people. I think the main problem is whether or not the individual is identifiable ... not really the case in the examples you showed, but is the case in the shot that got rejected. I can understand Johan's point of view on this - European countries are getting very "legislative" about personal information. Even if the use is legitimate and above board, if someone should choose to make a complaint, Johan will be tied up in paper work for days.

2 - Consistency. I think we have a choice. Either we can have consistency by using one person to screen and a queue of 10s of thousands of pics (or even higher standards!) Or we have a number of screeners working in different continents and timezones to a set of guidelines. In the latter case, there is bound to be some variations in standards - or do you really want 3 or 4 screeners to confer on every pic before rejection? Have you given ANY thought to the time involved in this?

Live with it. Appeal if necessary.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 5:46 pm

Dazed767,

I have read from Jonathon's post that this is the last AA 727 flight. Nothing was mentioned of this in your photo comments. Did whoever rejected these photos actually know of their significance?

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 10:58 pm

I see some of only one lady's face. Otherwise, we see the backs of heads. There are plenty of other shots where we see full out faces!

Justin's remarks for the photos were indeed indicitve of the occasion, perhaps he needs to add "Series of photos from the last AA 727 flight" in order to be explicitly clear?

-Chris
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Thu May 09, 2002 11:40 pm

yeah i'm getting a bit discouraged at uploading as well, the inconsistancy is frusterating. My last one was in the HQ queue and then got rejected for "adding text" (my name & year) so i took it out and made it really small, barely readable, and "appealed". It got rejected again for the same reason.

It's just irritating, oh well, if you dont want interesting pics here, hey that's not my problem, see how far it gets you.


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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 12:55 am

Chris,

Did you have a URL in the copyright text by any chance?


J
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Ckw...

Fri May 10, 2002 1:18 am

"I think the main problem is whether or not the individual is identifiable ... not really the case in the examples you showed, but is the case in the shot that got rejected."

The gentleman on the right in the 1st photo is showing just as much face as the lady in question in Justin’s photo. If that weren’t enough, in the 3rd example, the lady in red at the bottom right corner is directly facing the camera!

Again, Justin’s photo has historical significance. I believe this should have made it and exception.

B
 
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RE: Ckw...

Fri May 10, 2002 1:21 am

Whoops...I'm sorry...Make that the gentleman on the left on the 1st pic  Big grin

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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 4:14 am

Did you have a URL in the copyright text by any chance?


nope, just my name and the year... i dont know how to link a rejected photo, if someone can tell me how i'll link you up to the pic.


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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 4:36 am


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I think it is a bit inconsistent (I was told that faces could be seen, but for this type of shot it doesn't matter!).

Although I think if you hadn't used the flash it would've been better, because now the foreground is quite bright and the back is underexposed. Which Looks kinda musty.

Regards

Dan (afraid that someone might point the photo out first, afraid of a personal plug, but did it anyway Big grin).
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 4:54 am

Chris:
2 things:
1.) Was that copyright somewhere in the middle of the photo in your first attempt, or was it somewhere on the bottom or top border?
2.) How can you change a photo and then appeal?????? I thing the only was to get a changed photo into the DB is to make a new upload?
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 8:08 am

It was not the LAST AA 727 flight.
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 8:27 am

Chris, give me a break. You put "(C) Chris Weldy 2002" on the side of a BUILDING (Bank 1 Ballpark out in Phoenix). I could care less that you put your name on the image, but when it looks like you painted it there in giant letters on the building, that is absolutley uncalled for.

BTW-The reason you didn't get it added after the appeal was you cannot change the way the image works. Once you get the image onto the site, it cannot be edited by anyone.

In case anyone is wondering, here is the photo by Chris.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=APPEAL_USa321.jpg

Regards,

S3
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 9:11 am

NonRevKing - yes on the 3rd pic you are correct, the lady is identifiable. Perhaps this was OK because its taken at a public display?

But more likely, the relevant screener simply didn't pic this up (just as I didn't).

I think the rules for uploading are pretty clear ... whether you agree with them or not. I think its unfair on Johan and against the spirit of the site to start jumping on screener errors and trying to use them to set a precedent.

In some ways I agree with what Chris says - though perhaps in a better spirit - if A.net don't want my pics, fine, I can take them elsewhere - but there's no need to get bitter about it.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 10:50 am

i said:

so i took it out and made it really small, barely readable, and "appealed". It got rejected again for the same reason.

my mistake i did say that wrong. The first time around (the version that S3 linked) it sat in the HQ queue for 3 days before being rejected, i appealed, it got rejected. So i changed the writing to about 1/4th the size in the right corner of the same building and uploaded again, in less than 24hrs it was rejected by a screener for "text etc.."

here was the 2nd upload of which i described...
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=USa321.jpg

Now, give ME a break, there is so much clutter going on in that picture that my name doesn't "stand out" like it would on a less "busy" picture. Personally i thought it was pretty clever and if anyone would like to get into a pissing contest then believe me i can find a myriad of pictures on this site with copyright text somewhere NOT in the corner of the picture that stand out a whole lot more.

But frankly, i dont really care, and never actually planned on mentioning it in the first place so i really dont want you people to think i'm "mean spirited" or whatever, right now i'm just defending myself.

Finally, I got no beef with Johan, i got no beef with the screeners, (not even you, S3!) and least of all i'm not bitter at all. I dont obsess over this stuff but if i see something i feel is not consistant then i have no qualms about pointing it out...

...and yeah, yeah, i know what some of you are thinking but probably wont say it, that picture isnt the best of quality in the first place. i know this better than anyone but it's still a neat shot, imho.

So let's all raise our beers and toast to me, for being such a cool guy...  Smokin cool

Cheers!

Chris
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 11:00 am

I respectfully disagree. I don't think the rules are clear on this. At the very least they are not applied evenly.

Regarding Chris' "copy write" mark. I like what he did with it. I think watermarks in the corner distract too much. My eyes go right to them when I view the large photo. I think what Chris did creatively served its purpose with out distracting from the picture.

So, now we have stumbled upon another issue that needs clarification. Are watermarks a no no now?

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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 11:36 am

NonRevKing - yes on the 3rd pic you are correct, the lady is identifiable. Perhaps this was OK because its taken at a public display?

Public display or not, it shows a face.
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 12:16 pm

Still Chris..why put it on the building? I agree that the shot is nice, and having been to PHX myself a number of times, it's a nice sight. Now, why can't you put your watermarks like you do on a number of other photos? Blend them with the background?

Brian,

Watermarks are OK, as long as they don't meet any of the following:

1) URL's. That includes URL's in the photog name (eg. Joe Blow/www.xxx.com)

2) Cover a lot of the picture.

3) Distracting from the picture.

If you see images that have URL's on the picture, that was because none of us were aware that was a no-no until Johan pointed out that problem.

Distracting can be defined a number of ways, Chris' shot was very distracting, albeit creative. I personally think your eyes are a little screwy if you "go straight to the corner" When I first viewed Chris' pic, my eyes went straight to that part of the image.

S3
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 1:12 pm

"Distracting can be defined a number of ways, Chris' shot was very distracting, albeit creative. I personally think your eyes are a little screwy if you "go straight to the corner" When I first viewed Chris' pic, my eyes went straight to that part of the image. "

One mans meat is another mans poison. I didn’t notice Chris' mark until he pointed it out to me. It looked natural to me. I just think a mark, no matter where is a distraction. That’s why I don’t put them on mine.

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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 2:13 pm

I think you need your eyes checked Brian.
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Fri May 10, 2002 11:17 pm

Hey, that's my opinion. I'm allowed to express that.

I don't like copy write marks, but I thought Chris found a creative way to put one on without distracting from the photo.

I think you should find something constructive to say or mind your own business, Rick.

B
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Sat May 11, 2002 12:35 am

You need new glasses, you need your eyes checked...
 Yawn
How original and impressive! Absolutely the work of a master!
How about using your mastermind to say something worthwile, instead of those short, irritating, flaming messages. Yeah sure
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Mon May 13, 2002 1:24 am

I got bored and looked through some of Rick's (NikonF100) old posts and realized this guy really has nothing positive to say about anything. How sad, what a miserable existance that must be living in such negativity. Rick, might i suggest you take a stack of cash down to the red light district in AMS, things just might start looking up for ya. Believe me, I only say that because i truly care.

Finally, just my last comments about the whole "text in photo" thing; I still think that my name was not at all "distracting" especially in such a "busy" picture, and even less so in my second upload, and to say otherwise is bull crap-- BUT! that's only my opinion and i have no beef with the rejection, it's 100% cool by me and i accept it.

However, judging by some very rude email messages i've recieved from some well-known photogs here in the forum throughout the last year or so, I'm beginning to wonder if some other people here feel threatened by me for some reason? I really dont know why some people would take such things so seriously, but hey, you know who you are, and if you're jealous of me, i wont make you say it....

... since i'm such a nice guy.  Big grin


CHRIS
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Mon May 13, 2002 2:52 am

Chris,

I'll just leave one final comment...when I saw both your shots, I had to think back to my last Phoenix trip (about a week before yours) and ask myself if there was really something on that wall. All I'm saying is you could move it, and place it in a better posistion. Now...if you had put a hooter girl picture or something similar, I would have accepted it  Smile
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Mon May 13, 2002 4:21 am

Screener 3 that was a good one  Big thumbs up
But i (unfortunately) doubt that the hooter girls would have passed. I have to try this one
Peter
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Mon May 13, 2002 4:53 am

I already have that pic of the FAs you uploaded a while ago Peter. It's on my computer  Wink/being sarcastic

S3
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Mon May 13, 2002 5:15 am

Pictures get uploaded... Some pictures get rejected... The planet keeps on rotating... Life goes on...  Insane

Andy
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Mon May 13, 2002 5:26 am

which one S3? The one that was accepted or the one which wasnt accepted here (showing the FA's main gear  Laugh out loud )?
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Tue May 21, 2002 2:22 am

LOL....Chris, i actually think what you've done looks quite good, obviously others think not, nice try though  Laugh out loud

and Justin, im totally behind you, the quality is good, ive seen much worse online (im gonna get grilled for saying that) and it's not as if the women is staring right into the camera....

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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Tue May 21, 2002 9:30 am

NikonF100/Rick T:

Can I see some of your pictures? You seem overflowing with knowledge; please e-mail me and teach me everything you know.


zach
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Tue May 21, 2002 2:44 pm

Nobody in the world has a copyright on his/her face. It is as legal to photograph a person('s face) as it is to see him/her with your own eyes. It's your camera, it's your picture. If you don't use the picture for anything but personal, non-profitable use, then there is nothing that any court anywhere can do against you. That's the beauty of photography.
 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Tue May 21, 2002 3:14 pm

Zach,

One would think since you're in the 76-85 age range you would know many, many things, much more than what I know. Care to share what you want to know?



 
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Tue May 21, 2002 9:36 pm

Rick T,

He didn't insist on knowing a lot himself, just the fact that you seem to be such a smartass without saying a constructive thing, EVER. I am really sorry that it had to come to this, but you are just being a pain in this forum.

I don't care if you want to be a brave man in the non-aviation, just don't be a jackass here. In this forum, people are still civilised. "civilised??" you may ask, yes! civilised.

That means you RESPECT other people.
(pick up a dictionary somewhere and try to find what RESPECT means, since you obviously haven't learned that somewhere)

Too bad not everyone has some civilisation in them....
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RE: Faces Pictured In Photos...I Am Confused.

Wed May 22, 2002 2:20 am

I got bored and looked through some of Rick's (NikonF100) old posts and realized this guy really has nothing positive to say about anything. How sad, what a miserable existance that must be living in such negativity. Rick, might i suggest you take a stack of cash down to the red light district in AMS, things just might start looking up for ya. Believe me, I only say that because i truly care.


Now that's funny stuff....

Can I see some of your pictures?

Well? Let's see em....


TA

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