Andreas.E
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Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:13 pm

This is copies of the one that i sendt to Airliners.net

1. Standard one
http://www.oslosnowboardklubb.no/Document/Fotos/Andreas_Eriksson/Karlstad02062002_F16_302_01.jpg

2. With drawn horizontal lines to show that it's not that bad
http://www.oslosnowboardklubb.no/Document/Fotos/Andreas_Eriksson/Karlstad02062002_F16_302_02.jpg

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It was rejected with the following comment: The angle of the camera does not seem to be straight compared to the horizon. In the future, make sure you always hold the camera absolutely level. This particularly applies to pictures of aircraft on the ground....

A comment from the screener regarding this upload: "RNOAF_F16_Karlstad_01.jpg: Check the sign for being vertical. Otherwise a nice shot!"
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I cant understand this comment, i mean the horizon is perfectly align and the plane is align with the horizon...What should i have done different, trespassed the airfield and straitened that sign !!!

Greatfull for any comments / Kind regards
Andreas Eriksson
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:17 pm

That is indeed what you should have done  Big thumbs up
This is one of those shots that are a no-win situation at this site. If you rotate it to get the sign leveled, it will be rejected because the horizon is not. If you clone out the sign, it will be rejected for being manipulated or for "part of the aircraft is missing" (wing obscured) or "too far in the distance".
You could try to appeal it, giving an explanation. Sometimes it works.

Got something similar last night, shot rejected for being 'blurry'. Only blurry thing in it were the helicopter rotor blades, and that was quite on purpose.
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:47 pm

I think if you straightened it with the signs the horizon would be irelevant as you don't really have a good visual point to make a decision on. The ground in the foreground is not associated with the background.

Excellent shot, made any money from it yet.
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:51 pm

Yeah, some screeners went mad about leveling photos. It force me to level them even if the terrain is not flat  Smile
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 7:07 pm

Glenn

I will try that...and no, still no offers  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 7:46 pm

Andreas,

Get rid of the black borders around the image before you reupload - these would be grounds for a rejection.


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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:09 pm

Any,

These are copies, the original that where uploaded to Airliners did not have the black border.
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:28 pm

Andreas,

Great shot, there is no doubt about it. You'll have to straighten it though because the screeners don't look at the picture they look at the horizon. Soon we will become www.levelhorizons.net  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

It's high time the screeners started look at the subject of the photos rather than the background. Sometimes you actually miss the key point of the image, THE PLANE! Remember, that is what we upload here!!!!

To me, this is the warning you use when you've got no real other reason to reject the shot...... .5 of a degree doesn't make or break a photo guys (no girl screeners yet!).

Here's a laugh for you, some dingbat rejected this one...... the tarmac goes uphill and the Beech 1900 sits nose high (even mentioned this in the comments for them!!!!!) but that doesn't matter! It was even the first shot of this aircraft in the database. I of course appealed it, and I apologise already for wasting Johans time as it should never have had to be looked at by him.

http://www.planepictures.net/u/in/1023276170.jpg

Start looking at the subject, you'll often find that most people have already done the hard work for you by getting the image looking as good as possible!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Uploads!
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 8:37 pm

Maybe a stupid remark, but in my opinion the stop-sign is not straight. The aircraft is straight but not the sign.

This must be really frustrating for you that this one is rejected.

I would appeal it and write down in the comments field that it is not the aircraft but the sign that is not level.

And btw: is this really so important for the picture? It is a great shot, to be honnest, it just doesn't interest me if that sign is horizontal or not.

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:06 pm

Maybe that F16 shot is not a real badangle, but there are many other shots that definitively should be rejected for that reason. Its just a matter of asking the contributors to spend some time trying to add only the best image (angle, dirt, distance...) quality.

In any case it helps a lot if the photographer explains in the remark field the reason for some uploads which can be teoretically rejected.

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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:35 pm

Hi!
About the F-16:
Are the signs leaning to the right or are my eyes misleading me?
Craig:
May be the apron is going uphills but do they build those fence-poles leaning to the right in Australia on purpose? And what the hell is a dingbat?
Peter
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:43 pm

ding·bat Pronunciation Key (dngbt)
n.

Slang.

An empty-headed or silly person.
An object, such as a brick or stone, used as a missile.

Slang.
An unspecified gadget or other small article, especially one whose name is unknown or forgotten.

Printing.

A typographical ornament or symbol.
 
Andreas.E
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:49 pm

PUnmuth@VIE:

The sign is slightly leaning to the right, maybe one or two degrees

To all the other postings:

Thank you for your comments and tips&hints
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 10:02 pm

This is definetley getting out of hand with the horizon- every time now that i have a non-level horizon on an airport ramp, and an airplane that sits slightly tail heavy- i need to worry about a nice shot getting rejected because any way i do it, it may be good for some but bad for others. Meanwhile ive been seeing uploaded some photos with airplanes totally on the bottom of the frame, and crooked horizon. whats going on guys?

Joe
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 10:05 pm

Hi all

Craig, so I am a dingbat?

I am pretty sure I put my name in the rejection comment box. Did you not see that.

I did not add your pic to Planepictures but if I came across it I would have rejected also.

Now that you have a 2000GBP plus digital camera, you may need to spend some time standing straight.

If you have problems, mail me personally. Thanks.

Gary
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 11:14 pm

I agree that it sometimes is very difficult to keep everything straight and level, horizon, aircraft, lightpoles and all. Isn't it even an optical issue with the lens? Yet since I got so many photos rejected, I've learned and tried to improve on this account. I think we can find an acceptable level between perfectionism and a realistic treatment of this issue.

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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Wed Jun 05, 2002 11:17 pm

thanks all i ask for...

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I think we can find an acceptable level between perfectionism and a realistic treatment of this issue.

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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:37 am

"most people have already done the hard work for you by getting the image looking as good as possible!"

...no, in fact most people do the bare minimum to get the image looking ok before uploading and some don't even go that far. This comment is not aimed at the people talking here, by the way, before anyone takes offence - it's merely a general observation on the photos that are uploaded.

Guys, this doesn't have to become a big issue, surely? I have had a number of shots of mine rejected for a non-level horizon, so I go back, re-edit them and re-upload them. It's an extra 5 minutes work or so. What's the point in making a big fuss, really? Is it getting us anywhere? Here we have another thread with people getting irritated at each other - and it's not achieving anything.

As to a rotation of .5 - 1.0 degree or so, it depends on the subject and the angle, but it can make a difference. Maybe it's being a little too critical on the part of the person screening the pic, but in the time it takes to complain you could have gone back, tweaked the pic, and then uploaded it again.

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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:45 am

I know what you all mean about the level craze. I got one in particular rejected for that. The plane was perfectly level and so was the ground but the Control Tower looked like the Leaning Tower of Pisa a little bit. It's a no-win.

The angle of the plane relative to my position and the tower's position in the line of sight means SOMETHING won't be level in my picture.

I can see how the Stop sign in your pic is not level but it's very close. Seems to me that the screeners have gone a bit crazy with horizons lately. Maybe its part of a plan to "raise" the quality bar for uploads yet again....
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:03 am

Chris, i respectfully disagree- one screener sees it as xxx degrees and unnacceptable while another sees it as not too bad and accepts it- OR- the ground is not level and the airplane is nose heavy- so the photographer has to struggle with which to keep straight the fuselage or the road. If you simply say "the aircraft always first to be straight" then you have a standard that we can all agree on- but if its left in the air as it is now- we're gonna continue to suffer through these posts- again and again and again.

Joe

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As to a rotation of .5 - 1.0 degree or so, it depends on the subject and the angle, but it can make a difference. Maybe it's being a little too critical on the part of the person screening the pic, but in the time it takes to complain you could have gone back, tweaked the pic, and then uploaded it again.
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:53 am

For your information

I have rotated the image aprx 1.0 deg (now the bl**** sign is level)  Wink/being sarcastic and its been uploaded.

Kind regards

Andreas
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:16 am

If you really want a no-win situation try a shot of a 727.

They all seem to be lower in the front than the rear!
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:14 am

Andreas,
Regardless of the anally retentive rejection, it's a GREAT shot. Very funny. The idea that this fighter jock is looking both ways before he crosses the street is a great, expressive image. Perfect timing on your part.

I would "rotate canvas" about 2° CCW in Photoshop to strike a happy medium between the angle of the sign and the fuselage.

Again, great photograph.

ER
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:19 am

Oops.

Just tried it in Photoshop. Joe's right. 0.5 degrees CCW is enough...

ER
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:31 am

When I rotate a photo after the final scan it looses definition so I always make a new scan. It's not "just rotate it", it's a complete new scan.

Don't this happen to you?

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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 5:48 am

Glad there's some good discussion going on!

Peter, the shot is .2 degree's un-level.... I've checked it. The fence poles are what we look at now are they? 0.2 degrees doesn't make a photo unacceptable here.

Gazza, I've had far too many tinnies in the dunny with the sheilas to stand up straight anymore! Just checked the rejection e-mail, there was no personal message with it! And "dingbat" isn't an offensive peice of slang! No need for anyone to be offended, it's what we would call polite slang! Our politicians use it all the time  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Anyway, back to taking pictures of fences and vertical hangars so I can get some more shots up here!!!! I'll be watching the screeners shots, I'll post some here when I see some un-level work from them next because they are as guilty as the rest of us! (yes I know who ALL of you are!).
 
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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:35 am

And "dingbat" isn't an offensive peice of slang! No need for anyone to be offended, it's what we would call polite slang!

Twist, duck, weave, evade ....

Yes, pollies use it all the time .. TO INSULT EACH OTHER.




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RE: Help With A Rejected Picture - I Like This One

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:44 am

Here's a laugh for you, some dingbat rejected this one...... the tarmac goes uphill and the Beech 1900 sits nose high (even mentioned this in the comments for them!!!!!) but that doesn't matter! It was even the first shot of this aircraft in the database. I of course appealed it, and I apologise already for wasting Johans time as it should never have had to be looked at by him.

Well, it depends on who is doing the talking and who is listening.. Some people *GASP* MAY take offense to it.. It was not appropriate, and now this thread is locked.. "Merry Christmas" (6 months early) to you too...

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