Davus
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D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:42 pm

Hi All,

It has confirmed with me (which i have ordered ) that i can buy a brand new Canon D60 camera for AU$2800.

However the ONLY problem i have with it is this. After having a bit of a read etc, and having a look at a mates, the more and more I think about it the more I get turned off by the magnifying factor.

I really really love my 28mm ability on my current camera, and have found that the same lens will (because of the comversion of the digital) be converted to about 44 or so, which i find to be a real setback.

Yes I know ill get the positives at the other end of the scale, but im really keen to keep my 28mm ability.

TO be able to do the same thing (equivalent) id have to buy about an 18mm lense, which as we all know is a LOT more pricey.

Id really appreciate some feedback from any of the Canon D series users out there. Or indeed anyone how has some usefull information about it.

Ways to get "around" it.
Alternatives
Cheap lenses to give me that same 28mm ability.

I eagerly await your responses

Kind Regards

Dave Faulkner
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Australia
 
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 1:15 pm

Hi there Dave!

The 1.6x crop factor is great for telephoto shots as you already know. This is great for airliners.

For the wide end, I have tried the Tokina 19-35, and it gives you approximately 31mm on the wide end. The nice thing about the Tokina is it is built well, is wide and sharp, and is really cheap (around 150-200 dollars US). If you want wider, get the Sigma 17-35 (around 350 US dollars), but I have heard more than just a few reports of focus not working properly and soft/blurry photos. I ended up getting the Sigma 15-30 EX which worked out to be 473 US dollars and has an effective 24mm wide angle. It is built really solid, autofocuses fast, and is very sharp. I think it is comparable to the Canon 16-35L. The Canon is slightly sharper and better, but it is also almost 1000 dollars more! Those are the best alternatives I have found. Hope that helps.

-Ken
 
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:24 pm

Howdy Ken,

Thanx for your informative response. I always enjoy your repsonses.

I think ill try for the Sigma 15-30 EX. Looks to be the go.

Just a bit dissapointed that now i have to have 3 lenses instead of two.

Previously I had 28-80 and 70-300. Now i have to have three lenses to cover the same length.

What type of camera do you have?

If d60/30 was it worth the transition?

Regards

Dave
 
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:36 pm

Hi Dave
I use 15mm lens with my D30 and I am happy
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:53 pm

Hi Yevgeny,

If i might ask, what did you pay for this lens and what are the specifications of it?

Thanx mate

Dave

 
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:07 pm

Ahhh you could always use your 28mm on your normal camera ???????

It's worked up until now, I don't see why you need to go complete cold turkey not that you have a digital ?

 
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Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:10 pm

ahhh god damn, that was now that you have a digital

(yes I am aware that you are thinking of buying but you know what i mean)

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:48 pm

What are you trying to say there Glenn?



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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:54 pm

I think Glenn has gone gar-gar Big grin

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:33 pm


I also have the Tokina/Cosina 19-35mm and it works really well on my D60.

I also have my old trusty EOS600 for extreme wide angle shots when required.

In my opinion the increase in focal lengths at the "long end" far outweighs any loss of wide angle.  Big thumbs up

Good luck!
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:02 pm

I've also got the Tokina 19-35. It's good, but could be better. I think it is not quite as sharp as my Canon 28-105 USM. And there's quite a bit of distortion at wide-angle. However, I think for the price, I should not complain at all!! It feels well built too.

As has been mentioned by Dean, the benefits at the long end outweigh the wide angle disadvantages, at least for aviation photographers!

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 12:38 am

Dave,
Why didn't you just ask me?? The Tokina is great, as mentioned above. I would have shown you the lens when I was in SYD last, for Knuddo's birthday.

The Tokina 19-35mm is great when it's at it's widest, but a little duller when betwen 24-35mm. Great for wider shots when you need it, and not too much dollars from the piggy bank.

Both shots we taken with the Tokina at 19mm, the first with my trusty Canon EOS500N and the second with the D30.


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When I'm in MEL during July, I'll let you take a few shots with it!  Big thumbs up

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:02 am

Hi Dave
Canon lens is not cheap  Crying $750 but 15mm Fisheve extremely wide angle with 35mm Camera, regular wide with D30

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:08 am

Yes, there's no getting around some sacrifice at the wide-angle lens - myself I use the Canon 17-35mm which gives me "adequate" wide angle coverage, but doesn't have the impact I loved on 35mm film. But I've hung on to an EOS3 body as insurance and very wideangle stuff.

Photography is all about compromises and budgets. On the plus side, I've saved myself a fortune on longer lenses thanks to that crop factor - I,m happy to trade that for the loss on the wide side.

Oh, and last week I discovered another plus to the smaller crop - I can shoot through smaller holes in fences without the vignetting effect!

Cheers,

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:14 am

Does anyone know where the best place to look is for these lenses?

Ive had a look on ebay, but never done an online auction before, so a bit sceptical.

The budget is running a little think after the purchase of the body + normal lens + zoom lens + microdrive + + so im wanting to keep the cost down as much as i can....

Thanx guys

Dave Faulkner

 
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:44 am

I bought my D30 it came with a Vivitar 19-35 lens. yeah, I know a professional photog may be able to tell the difference in quality..."it's only a vivitar!!"

But believe it or not, it works nicely. And looks decent. The guy who had it took very good care of it. It's a good start for an "amateur" kit.

i have a 28-90 also. I think you really need a wider lens like a 19 17 or 15 with these cameras.


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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:33 am

Bruce,

Are you able to give me an indication as to the cost of this lens you are speaking about?

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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:11 pm

Hi Again, Dave!

Sorry so long to get back. I have the D30, with the Sigma 15-30, Canon 28-135 IS, Canon 70-200L f4, Canon 50mm 1.8, and a "cheap" Quantaray 2x teleconverter. I feel like I am set with this- I promised my wife no more upgrades, but I don't feel like I need any more for a while (yeah, right!). I have heard good things about the Vivitar that has been spoken of- I have heard (and I tend to believe) that a lot of these 19-35's are made by the same company and rebranded under different labels, and that they are generally decent lenses. I came really close to buying the Tokina after I tried one out in a store. If money gets tight, I may sell my Sigma 15-30 and get a Tokina 19-35. I think the Vivitar 19-35 is the same lens as a Phoenix? and perhaps the same as some others with different names. Do I regret the D30? Not at all. I don't shoot much film, and for my needs I don't know if I ever will. The Sigma 17-35 never appealed to me too much because all the samples I saw were pretty soft, though I hear that it depends on if you get a "good one" or a "bad one".

Just a word of warning about the Sigma 15-30... If you do get it, I hear that it is best kept on a digital SLR, as it tends to get soft really quick at the edges when you use it full frame, such as with film. But that is a general rule when you get really wide with any lens. My brother shoots the Canon 16-35L with his EOS 5, and it gets pretty soft on the edges.

Also, if you get the Sigma 15-30, you have to switch to manual focus and back to auto with a switch AND pulling a ring back and forth. Just something to keep in mind for any owners of this lens as I about broke mine on the first day not doing this!  Smile It is an awesome lens, though. Highly recommended if you can justify the cost. It is about as wide as you can go on a D30 for a decent price. Plus a somewhat hidden bonus is the close focus capabilities of the lens- you can get up to 11.5 inches to your subject, which is pretty good for that "in your face" type of shot!

-Ken
 
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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:38 pm

Dave,

actually I do not know. I did not buy it new. The guy who sold his camera to me included the lens in the auction price. I think, however, that it's in the 200$ USD range.

It's a Vivitar Series I 19-30mm if you want to look it up at some retailers. It has just a auto/man. focus switch like the EF Canon lenses do - however, the ring on the end is not the same as Canon (its 55mm I think) so if you buy a filter like a Polarizing Filter you'd have to buy two, one for your Canon Lens and one for this one.

But I get fairly wide shots with it.


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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Tue Jun 25, 2002 8:56 pm

Have you tried http://www.dirtcheapcameras.com.au?



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RE: D30 / D60 Users - Feedback Please

Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:18 am

Sure have bron,

I posted that link to someone else in this forum only a few days ago.

Thanx all the same.

Appreaciate the effort.

Dave

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