ake0404ar
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St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:29 am

Just checked out some recent SXM pictures and have to say that the database at a.net as well as some other well known website for aviation photography has been flooded with rather dull and boring shots from SXM.

Don't want to post any examples here for obvious reason..

SXM is an absolutely gorgeous place to take awesome pics.
Why would someone go out there and take pictures of an a/c taxiing to the gate in overcast conditions or something similar.

Too bad, but I guess everyone is entiteled to go there and as long as the quality standards are good enough for a.net, the pic will be uploaded.

Just some thoughts for others to travel to SXM soon.

Vasco G.
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 12:35 am

Just wait till I get back down there.

B
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:02 am

MAN! I was just telling someone that before I read this. I have a few ideas for shots.....  Smile
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:34 am

Does every shot from here get into the database?

Regards
 
LGW
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:40 am

"overcast conditions"

yeah, before you shoot @ SXM, at least make sure you remove the clouds and turn the sun on! duh  Big thumbs up

LGW
 
joe pries
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 1:45 am

maybe im sick or crazy or something but the 50mm side on shots at SXM excited me almost as much as the landing shots over the water.

Metallica: you know its sad but truuuue

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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 2:33 am

you're preaching to the choir my friend, i've been bitching about that very thing for the last 9+ months now. It's sad, it's frusterating... the most creative place on earth is now subject to a miserable lack of originality; people who take a crappy "over the beach" shots and upload it just cuz it's a lock to get accepted-- here, everywhere.... those ramp shots, the backlit shots...etc... i wanna pull my hair out...

having said that, you cant beat the view in real life and theres not alot of places you can get that close to a landing 747 (or A340, whatever)

nothing lasts forever


chris
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 8:29 pm

Vasco, not everyone has access to the weathergods and can turn the weather on and off to suit his/her needs.
Also, many people now shoot just to get pictures on here, and they're used to shooting 50mm sideshots only because that's just about the only thing you can get easily accepted these days.

Or maybe people are shooting while waiting for a connecting flight and have no time to go out and shoot in other spots...
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Skymonster
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:13 pm

Why would someone go out there and take pictures of an a/c taxiing to the gate in overcast conditions or something similar

If you personnally spent the sort of money it takes to get to SXM, and the weather was overcast all the time you were there, what would you do? Shoot pics anyway, or just bury your head in the sand and wished you hadn't spent the money? I know that if I went there and the weather wasn't so good, I'd still have to shoot pics. And if I felt some of them were good enough for airliners.net then I'd upload them, and too bad for the folks that had been lucky enough to go there when the weather was great if I upset thier sensibilities.

Contrary to what Vasco and Chris say, there's been a fair few pics from SXM rejected recently - sadly, some folks think its acceptable to get the people on the beach real sharp, whilst the airplane passing overhead is blurry. Hey - I just tell them to upload them to www.peopleonthebeachatsxm.com instead!!!

Takes all sorts I guess!!!

Andy
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LGW
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:21 pm

Here is a simple fair solution = you don't like other ppl's shots from SXM - You go out and show us how its done!

LGW
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:25 pm

Careful Ben, Chris at least I think has been there, and uploaded the pics!!!
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:41 pm

What??? Everyone can have their say except me???

I havent been there and never will but why complain about shots in some places?? I have seen some shots from excellent airports I dont post about ruining Luton or somthing do I Big grin

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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 10:48 pm

Skymonster hit the nail on the head :-

'If you personnally spent the sort of money it takes to get to SXM, and the weather was overcast all the time you were there, what would you do? Shoot pics anyway, or just bury your head in the sand and wished you hadn't spent the money?'

Chris ... you have been there, do you know the best time to go for weather? Maybe if you post that here it may give myself for one ideas as i wanna go to SXM within the next 2yrs  Big thumbs up
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Thu Jul 04, 2002 11:06 pm

Ben,

What??? Everyone can have their say except me???

No, that wasn't what I meant, but you said...

Here is a simple fair solution = you don't like other ppl's shots from SXM - You go out and show us how its done!

Point was, I think Chris has already done this - checkout the database. Big grin

Andy
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ake0404ar
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 12:06 am

Well, I already thought no one would jump on the wagon....and now 7 replies within moments.

Anyway, yes I would have burried my head in the sand and cried for 2 months, if I had spent the money and the weather had been shitty.

SXM is know for the excellent low approaches over the beach. Angle, light and composition, three words or should I say creativity.

Even on a dull overcast day, something can be done......

Maybe it is just me....

Vasco G.

p.s. I will be there someday, maybe not this year, but aiming for next year and then you'll see what I am talking about!!!!!




 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 12:06 am

Im perfectly capeable of looking at the database thanks...i have done so in the past and have seen his SXM shots - but andy, you have not been so sorry your opinions are banned too

LGW
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:05 am

Ummmmm.... maybe I'm just stupid but AFAIC SXM is not one of the most creative airports, I think its quite the opposite.

The only thing you can really use is looking down the runway, and trying to time taking pictures of airplanes with nudey women.

There are more airports right under your noses that are good creative places (for creative minds) but if we all just saw approach shots from SXM we'd get very bored.. And people can upload whatever they want from whatever airport, if someone goes to SXM and takes some 50mm ramp shots or pictures of aircraft taxying in dull weather, you should be glad that they haven't stolen your creative ideas. In many ways that should be better...

And to be honest, EVERY airport gets boring, SXM doesn't hold the excitement for me that it did when I first saw a picture from there, but I think you are just blaming that on people who take photos that aren't creative enough, or different (which is fine, happens all the time.!).
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:19 am

Well said Dan - 1st of all the beach shots stunned me but now we have some SXM pics of low quality cos its SXM and we have lost some of the magic so ppl try other shots

joe, i too love the sxm 'ramp-style' shots a refreshing change - like your Apple Vacations A320 if my mind serves me correctly

Do what YOU wnat, not what a.net views want

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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:29 am

Your points about creativity are right on EGGD!!

I also agree with Vasco... dull overcast shots should not be making it into the database unless it's truly something special. I'm just baffled by some of the things that get accepted...

Sunil
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:31 am

Vasco, if you wait too long unfortunately you're gonna miss out on any 747 in there- af already stopped (340 is ok but definetely not remotely the same), klm will soon, corsair's 742's are aging though the 743's may last a while longer- and after that- thats pretty much it.

As far as weather- if you want a virtual guarantee of mostly sun go in the winter- if you want to get screwed- go in the late spring and all summer- its rainy season.

Joe
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:38 am

if you want to get screwed- go in the late spring and all summer- its rainy season

Or

if you want to get screwed- go chat up a topless woman on the beach Big grin

LGW
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:41 am

LGW - My thoughts exactly!!!

I even have it all planned out, ask them to pose in front of a couple of aircraft, get a bit chatty, maybe ask to reveal a bit more, then take them round to the terminal building and voila!!!!

Dan  Big grin
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 2:47 am

What eva rotates ya widebody dan Big grin

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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 3:51 am


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Nathaniel Felsher



First photo in the database from SXM, so you can't say that its only now....
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 5:45 am

Things have got better - i see no women in this shot - now we have them - with no clothes on Big grin

thats enough about the fairer sex!!!!!

LGW
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 5:46 am

first of all>>>


'If you personnally spent the sort of money it takes to get to SXM, and the weather was overcast all the time you were there, what would you do? Shoot pics anyway, or just bury your head in the sand and wished you hadn't spent the money?'

I'd shoot pics, but i probably wont bother uploading them... besides, there's plenty to do besides the airport, if you're taking trips and not planning anything but the airport, i feel sorry for you, the chicks, the alcohol, take a boat ride, etc.. etc...

oh and andy, i do appreciate the compliment earlier, i probably blushed or something, i forget, but thanks.

anyway, just as a side note, let me break this down for you guys so you know where im coming from. I have 6 rolls worth of SXM, i've uploaded only 12, and only 2 of those are classic "over the beach" views. That's 17% of my SXM uploads, and since 2 entire rolls are over the beach, (and nearly all uploadable) that makes the percentage around 0.02%.... compared to about 95% of some of these people.

That's really the only frusterating part. Not to mention i notice alot of "idea" copying as well, Joe's CO picture w/ the girls come to mind, everyone tries to copy that, as well as Brian's topless chick idea (i have the identical photo, btw, did not upload it) and i wont get started on my own pics. I think it's people's lack of originality that irritates me.

cheers

chris


 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 5:58 am

Chris - I don't think that, originallity is the game here. People don't HAVE to be original, if they saw something they really thought was worth going for (the over the beach shots) then they would, but most likely would just get the same old shot just because thats what they like.

Not that I would be the same, but i'm just saying, A.net isn't just about originallity... its just about good photos.
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 6:09 am

hey, im all for people taking whatever pics they want, i just dont think a picture that is unoriginal and worse quality than whatever it was immitating should be uploaded.... pretty simple, everyone is entitled to their opinion however!!

chris
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 6:59 am

hell, EGGD. Almost every time I try to be original my shots get rejected for 'estethics' (did noone notice all these years that that's misspelled?, should be 'aestethics') or something like 'too far in the distance' or 'part of the aircraft is missing', just to name a few.
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 7:48 am

Chris - yeah, being original, I bet its an arse when others aren't, and just copy you (trying to be artsy, but just being sort of a tag along), but I'd take it as a huge compliment!

jt- keep working on it, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think that primarily aesthetics are personal opinion, one photo may be liked and disliked by alot of people. It shouldn't matter if it gets rejected as long as you like it, because you should photograph for yourself and not for others!!! (unless you get paid that is  Big grin).
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 9:40 am

Just wanted to add my 2 cents on the originality part. One of my motivations to go to SXM in the 1st place was to see if I could do some things that no one has yet, and I'm happy with the results. This is gonna sound like bragging, and believe me, it's not, but I think myself, Chris and Justin "raised the bar" so to speak on SXM shots. There are so many photographers out there that can do better then what we did. I'd love to see what Chris Sheldon or Sven De Bevere or Don Boyd could do there. There's a lot more to SXM then "over the beach" shots

But rest assured, I will be going back. Prolly with Chris and Justin. And I have a funny feeling we'll be having a healthy competition of "see if you can top this".
 
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 9:47 am

EGGD  Big thumbs up

'There are more airports right under your noses that are good creative places (for creative minds) '

You mean Bristol - Lulsgate?  Big grin
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RE: St. Maarten (SXM) Magic To Be Gone Soon

Fri Jul 05, 2002 4:53 pm

I'll ask Johan if we can have a new rejection reason then - "badoriginality"  Nuts

That should get a few debates going in the forum when the first rejections start coming through!!! Big grin

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