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These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:22 am

I just got word today that some of my photos were rejected, but I was dissapointed with a couple of them because I really like the shots and I feel they're original, but here please take a look at them.

http://airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/DSC00303.jpg
- Thats the horizontal stabilizer on an Alaska 737-490, I could see it well from the very last row, 26. And we were flying over Arizona at the time, en route from PHX-SEA.

http://airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/DSC00316.jpg
- As we were approaching Seattle/Tacoma, runway 16 L, you can see it there in the distance. Also Mt. Rainier

http://airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/DSC00339.jpg
- The AlaskaAir.Com jet! They said this photo was crooked relative to the horizon. What?


I submitted 21 photos, and 9 are now in the hi-quality que, and I'm confident they'll be uploaded.

Thanks for checking them out.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:37 am

The second one is beautiful. I like how it shows such a huge part of the city. Why was that one rejected? The first one I didn't really see anything special about, but if the 3rd one was for a tilted horizon then you could try it again.
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:45 am

Yeah I just liked the first one becuase I've never seen a shot looking over the horizontal stabilizer, its always over wing shots.

Yeah I was most dissapointed that the second one was rejected, it was rejected due to, "low estetic quality."

Is the third photo tilted too far clockwise or counter-clockwise? I couldn't tell.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:49 am

I think you should tilt it a little bit counter-clockwise. It is very harsh I think since there is no good view of the horizon, but that is how it looks to me.
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 10:52 am

Thats exactly what I thought, what horizon are they comparing it too?

But I will probably try to re-upload it.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:11 am

Looks like you were using a Sony digital cam. Just out of curiosity, which one?

BTW, the second one should definetly be uploaded. If you adjusted the contrast, try uploading again, but don't make the contrast so high. You lost just a little bit of detail in the darker areas. The third is a little dark, and yes quite a bit crooked. But... try to fix that and see what happens.

-Shawn
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:21 am

Yes it is a Sony cam, DSC-F707, how did you know?

Well the second one was rejected for "low estetic qualities" which means there is not enough airplane in it, so I don't know how much I can do about that, maybe I can appeal it.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:58 am

The first one is quite original but I don't find the background to be of much interest. That's probably why the rejected it.

The second one is pretty good but it might be a bit too dark.

Third one is nice too - don't quite know what they find wrong with it.


About Shawn guessing that you have a Sony digital camera - the filenames probably gave you away (DSC...jpg). Big grin



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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:06 pm

Very nice photos, I especially love the aerial of Seattle. What I don't understand is how photos like that one get rejected yet ones like these get accepted?:


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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 1:39 pm

Oh, Duh.... (DSC)

Thanks 5280AGL, Yeah I don't get it, I've actually noticed a drop in the quality of photos on airliners.net since they've changed over to the new screening process.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:02 pm

Yeah, I know what you guys are saying... I think it's becoming political, you know accept photos from the well established photographers and only accept from small-time dudes like me if the photo is REALLY REALLY good.  Sad

Yep, the filename confirmed it the Sony cam. I use the F707 as well. It's a beauty! Lots of people on here use it - it's great!

Well keep shooting and best of luck to you... you'll probably need it here!

-Shawn
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:17 pm

I don't think it has to do with politics, really. I just think the screening process is inconsistent from one screener to another. One screener might find a shot completely acceptable and another may feel the opposite way. But what can you do? The process is not perfect. But, it does still baffle me how high sun, rear quarter, common aircraft, approach shots still find their way past the screeners, in great numbers from some photographers.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:25 pm

Brian,
The aerial of Seattle is great. I can pick out several landmarks. If you had a high-res scan of the image I might even be able to pick put a few friends' apartments!

William
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:10 pm

Brian,

Very nice photos!!! Specially the 2nd one... also I like the 3rd!!! Too bad they were not accepted  Sad.

I´m with you 5280AGL, how come pictures like this get accepted... same aircraft, same REGO, and not showing anything spectacular....


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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:36 pm

Hey William,

I uploaded the aerial photo of Seattle, its a higher res, see if you can find your friends appartments!

Brian

http://briansphotos.tripod.com/seattlebig.jpg
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:49 pm

eeehm what about this rule:
No criticizing of other users or posts!
If you have a problem with another user in the forum or if you dislike some of the posts, use the "Suggest Deletion" button! If you don't like that, you can e-mail your humble administrators on the issue. You do not and I repeat NOT post a message on how you find the topic or user irrelevant/boring/childish or whatever. Topics dealing with other topics or users (and that includes yourself) will be deleted and the poster will risk being banned. Remember that a topic that is replied to is automatically moved to the top, so don't reply unless it's a worthwhile thread.

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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:57 pm

I think you got hosed on the third shot.

If anything try using the taxiway line in front of the aircraft for alignment, not the centerline for the gate that runs top to bottom but the left right line.

But there are several different lines there that aren't straight that could be used as the horizon.
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 3:58 pm

Are you sure you're in the right thread??
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:03 pm

Scratch that.

Use the fence behind the aircraft to set the horizon on the photo. It is visible on the right side of the aircraft.
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:08 pm

Thank L-188, I'll try the fence thing.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:18 pm

 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:24 pm

Nice shot of the Alaska Airlines, i think you were abit unfortunate there...
5280AGL and Ghost77 .... those pics were taken by a friend of mine, ok maybe there not the best there is but less of the critisizm huh  Insane
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 4:25 pm

Well, your image is hosted by Tripod.

Other then that, It look fine  Laugh out loud
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 5:35 pm

Sorry, but this rule should be more strict. Who will look after this thread?
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Mon Jul 22, 2002 7:07 pm

Brian,

Can't really validate the reasons for your pic one and two at the moment as I'm staring at a small laptop screen. Photo three (AlaskaAir.com) needs a slight rotation counter clockwise, pretty much sorted in the second link you posted to it.


5280AGL said: What I don't understand is how photos like that one get rejected yet ones like these get accepted?
Ghost77 said:I´m with you 5280AGL, how come pictures like this get accepted... same aircraft, same REGO, and not showing anything spectacular....

Firstly to both of you, its very bad form to criticise other people's pictures on this forum, in fact its against the rules. I suggest that you are unlikely to get helpful responses if you attack other people's pictures.

Secondly, I can say that I was the third screener to HQ PolishAir42's pics that have been brought to attention in this forum. Bottom line is that they meet the quality criteria of the site, and two screeners before me had already judged them similarly so.


Shawn Patrick said: I think it's becoming political, you know accept photos from the well established photographers and only accept from small-time dudes like me if the photo is REALLY REALLY good

Shawn, PolishAir42 had his first pic accepted onto the site on 12th April this year (just over three months ago), so despite his pictures being commented on adversely here, how he could be regarded as "well established" is beyond me, other than the fact that he kept on trying and has achieved a result.

As for the process being political...  Nuts Meet the criteria, you get in, don't meet it, you don't. Instead of criticising other folks pictures, we should all get out more and strive to get quality results that are accepted.

Andy
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 12:08 am

Brian,

your first photo is just boring with most parts of it filled with blue sky.

The second one is really beautiful, but it has very little to do with airliners, aircraft or aviation in general, so it does not belong to this site.

Your third picture may have chances, but it is a very often photographed aircraft (37 images in the database), so your picture has to be of an exeptional quality which I don't see (little shadow details, jagged lines) at the moment, but which may be achieved with a little bit of work in your photo editing program.

Conclusion: all three rejections were perfectly correct and show the consistency of the screener crew.  Big thumbs up

Peter: nice rule, but I think photos are included in the following one (nevertheless I agree to your point):

No hostile language or criticizing of others.




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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:55 am

Ok well, 37 images of one plane isn't a lot when you're talking about a quarter million photo database.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 2:57 am

Considering the huge amount of airplanes in the world and the relatively low number of 250000 photos, 37 is a huge number of photos
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Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:06 am

FUAirliner said: Conclusion: all three rejections were perfectly correct and show the consistency of the screener crew

Frank... Irrespective of your comments about the pictures under discussion, by saying that you've just got yourself a place on the "no-close-scruitiny-instant-upload" list Big grin

Politics, what politics??? Big grin

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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:14 am

5280 and Ghost.

LOL stop whining. The photos may be boring but I think the quality is ok (I am a little biased since i shot them)

I just take photos and upload them all. I really dont complain if they are rejected or accepted.

You could say that a million of photos are boring because they show nothing but clear skies.

I suppose photos like these are boring too right?


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I only try to upload the approach photos that have good quality on the airplane. I dont try to upload all of the photos that I take (which is around 500-600 on one run)

Besides many of the "common" planes like MD-80s and CRJs I upload too because I see there are either no photos of or maybe just 1 or 2 that are a bit older.

Personally I think you should concentrate on why yours got rejected and what you can do instead of complaining.

 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 3:15 am

Just wanted to add that I dont think 3 months makes me well established..

And I do use a Sony F707 too  Smile
 
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Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:38 am

LOT767-300ER,

I´m not whining at all, my point is that you have better shots too show!! As an example:


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You got creativity, but I prefer and I like more this shots than the others!

And I think this is the porpuse of a FORUM to chat, share ideas, points of view, make constructive criticism, LEARN to hear and maybe we can learn from others or at LEAST try to be better... I know also this is only our hobby!

EGFF, SKYMONSTER, LOT767, please an APOLOGIZE if I offend someone of you.. next time I keep my mouth shut... too bad no one from here can share his ideas and thoughts... I think that rule should be modify and give the chance to talk about other pictures... BUT ALWAYS WITH RESPECT AND NOT GOING OFF LIMITS. If I did or went out limits, please tell me in where I did wrong so I can learn and not too do it again....

Hasta la vista!!

ghost77  Smile / Ricardo Morales / airnikonrich@yahoo.com

P.S. If someone else have something to add or tell me please write me an email anytime!!  Big thumbs up And again an apologize LOT767-300ER.
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:49 am

LOL you dont have to apologize mate.

Those approach shots bore me also.

But some of the common stuff like those AE ERJs and UAex CRJs, MD-80s, A320s and 737s are not even in the database. Thats why I add them.

Sometimes I just sit there with photoshop and bore myself to death with them too.  Smile

Anyways, I hope to fix this with a bit of action from Alaska which I am going there in a week  Smile
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 4:57 am

LOT - I apologize if I offended you, I wasn't singling you out or anything, I was just using a couple of your photos as examples. The whole basis of my argument was to show the apparent inconsistencies in the screening process. Maybe it is just me, but I find those types of approach shots redundant and boring, especially when there is 2 or 3 shots of the same aircraft at different positions in the sky.

Again, I am not picking on you specifically, just offering constructive criticism.
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 6:30 am

I'll be waiting 4 ur pics from Alaska!!!  Smile

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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 7:05 am

See, that is the cool thing of this forum compared to Non av... People make up here!!!

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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 8:46 am

*EGFF walks upto Wietse and hugs him*  Laugh out loud
Ghost77, by apologising you showed your a man, not a weasel ... thanks Big grin
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:14 am

Those shots bore myself so your not offending anyone lol.

I just stopped on the side of the road while I was coming home and snapped a few......

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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 10:56 am

Hey,

I´m just going to say that, Before some of us start criticizing others you better look at you first and then If you have the authority, then criticizing others..

That have nothing to see with you guys, its your a thought.

Cheers,

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Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:37 am

Sorry, I said that this have nothing so see with you guys but I´m wrong.

Ghost77, you are my friend and you know I respect your work, but I cant accept that you are criticizing others. As I said you have to see you work first before make criticizes.

"how come pictures like this get accepted... same aircraft, same REGO, and not showing anything spectacular.... "

I dont know.. ask yourself the same thing..

Sorry but as a friend I have to say that to you....

Cheers,

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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 11:39 am

""how come pictures like this get accepted... same aircraft, same REGO, and not showing anything spectacular.... "

Diffrent view and OK quality?  Smile
 
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RE: These Were Rejected, But I Think You'd Like Them.

Tue Jul 23, 2002 5:05 pm

Hello Felipe,

You have told me that since we meet... to try new things, have different angles and upload more variety... also try to copy Rocafort´s style, YES I listen to you and as you can see my recent uploads are different that the ones I used to have:

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Old shots:

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But remember I shoot slides + I´m a slide colector and for now I have to pay for everything... I´m not into digital and not interested for now... maybe in a future I´ll be looking forward for that.....

Salu2,

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