boeingholiday
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Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 3:15 pm

Hello airliners!

I know it was discussed here some days ago, but I couldn't find the link to it. I've heard that people aren't allowed anymore to make photos in the cockpit and the cabin. My plane will go next Thursday in the early morning from munich to iraklion (Crete), to make some picks while the sun shines light-orange over the field - Great!
I took care and phoned the airline (Hapag-Lloyd) for taking their permission. But they pointed out that it is and will be impossible to go in the cockpit. New security, cause of the 11th september.
Two days ago, I found photos of the cockpit and I wondered why?  Wink/being sarcastic After my trip to WienerNeustadt AeronautX, a flightteacher assured me that the pilot can decide if somebody sits in the cockpit, on the jumpseat, the whole flight! So, what shall I do? I suppose you have more experiences in taking photos or asking to do so. What shall I say ? Is airliners.net a good argument?
Thanks for your comments, best regards from Markus
 
crank
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 3:31 pm

a flightteacher assured me that the pilot can decide if somebody sits in the cockpit, on the jumpseat, the whole flight! So, what shall I do?

Maybe, but I really doubt that the pilot would let you have the jumpseat for the whole flight, after sep. 11th.

However, I have heard that it's possible to take pictures of the cockpit before and after the flight with some airlines.

Good luck and have a nice trip.



 
PUnmuth@VIE
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 3:41 pm

Just ask the Flight attendent to ask the pilots if its possible to get in and stay there. If its not against the law (like in the US i think) and theres no company rule against it its the captains decision to say yes or no.
Peter
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MUC_Spotter
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:13 pm

Hi Markus!
I made a Gemania flight in spring and was asking one of the stewardesses in-flight if it would be possible to have a look in the cockpit, but it was not possible. At least not in-flight.
Might be that this was their opinion  Yeah sure and _probably_ it would be fine for the pilot, but you have to pass these ladies first.
I think its best to ask them when you're coming in and the best would be to try to speak to one of the pilots directly.
Another problem for you might be that the flighttime to Crete is not very long, so hurry up!

Good luck

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BA777
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:15 pm

I got an inflight visit on KL1168 HEL-AMS on Jul 26, the F/A says that i was lucky to be assured a visit on the ground, let alone when we were cruising at 34.000ft!

The guys up there didnt mind me taking pix either, and they should be on this site soon, as long as the Q clears up a bit

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Ejazz
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:30 pm

Well at Singapore Airlines and quite a few others now it is NOT the Captains decision to make.

I have to operate to SIAs policies one of which is no-one, without exception, may occupy the jumpseat unless they are a part of the operating crew.

I do allow photographs of the flight deck before and after a flight but I can only do so whilst a cabin door is open and connected to an aerobridge.

If you are still wondering why flight deck pictures appear on A.Net its probably because the pilots are carrying cameras, just like myself.
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ake0404ar
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 4:46 pm

Ejazz,

this is a while back to be exact Dec 1999 and July 2000.
Both times I was allowed on the flight deck inflight (yes it was SIA) enroute to FRA from JFK and vice versa. I was even allowed to sit on the jump seat during landing at FRA. Did not belong to the crew, but the fact that I flew First Class might have helped!  Smile

After 9-11 kind of hard to get cockpit access at all.

I flew on 9-16 from NUE to AMS, no flight deck visit allowed, only after touchdown.

This year I flew UA from FRA - SFO and SFO - BOS. We all know that they have not granted a visit before 9-11 and they don't do it know.
After landing it was possible though.

Same applied for a LH flight from BOS - FRA this May.
No inflight visits.

Sorry for no better news.
Good luck anyway.

Vasco G.



 
Ejazz
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 5:07 pm

Sorry for any confusion. The new rules were implemented after 9/11 but prior to that I did have the pleasure of the company of many aviation enthusiasts, most of whom I did allow to sit in for take-offs and landings.

As is usual for SIA we went way beyond what was necessary after 9/11. The situation now exists where an SIA Captain can operate a flight to Singapore elect to position home to Malaysia in uniform with the required ID but cannot use a jumpseat as he is not part of the operating crew. If that's the case you can imagine what chance a passenger has.
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:58 pm

Just ask the Flight attendent to ask the pilots if its possible to get in and stay there. If its not against the law (like in the US i think) and theres no company rule against it its the captains decision to say yes or no.


That's right. I rode on UA and I asked after the flight if I gould get a picture of the cockpit and she asked the captain and they said yes. It's not up to the airline to say if it's ok it's the captain's decision.
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boeingholiday
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RE: Cockpit-flight Possible?

Thu Aug 01, 2002 12:54 am

Hm... this sounds hard to make photos. I onced tried it to speak directly to the pilot while the passengers were boarding, but the crew didn't allowed that. One stood in front of the door, like a stone in the sea. Isn't it to annoying to say "Would it be possible to take some shots before, while and after the flight in the cockpit?" I haven't got many experiences, so, tell me please  Wink/being sarcastic What are you telling them? ("if you don't let me inside, I'll activate the bomb?" - no, just kidding)

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