Setjet
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Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 10:38 am

In my opinion this picture is terribly off level or it is moments before stalling which would be even more terrible:


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What do you think? Can a DC9 do something like that?


 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 11:29 am

The rotate feature in Photoshop is a very handy tool.  Big grin
 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 1:01 pm

Yikes! Is that the "Cape Canavral" version?
 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 1:05 pm

Shot from below while climbing (and possibly turning). Just an illusion due to the position of the photographer in relation to the aircraft.......

There's plenty of these in the database!

Do you really think these aircraft are climbing this steep or banking that hard? Nope, it just looks that way as the photographer is shooting from an area "approximately" underneath the aircraft. You could upload 20 of these shots a day if you stood under the departure path for Runway 34R here in Sydney!


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Wow that BAe 146 is climbing hard and stuff me drunk that 767 pilot thinks he's flying a F-18 Hornet!!!! NOT!



 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 1:21 pm

Thank you Craig.

That is exactly right.



 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 2:24 pm

A DC-9 could never climb like that! Thats some photo editing program.

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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Fri Aug 02, 2002 9:20 pm

As long as the horizon is not visible, you have quite a bit of leeway for a little creativity. Upside-down might be stretching things a little, however...  Big grin

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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:56 am


Actually DC-9's can perform a pretty steep climb. In that pic the plane is making a turn while performing a typical Diesel 9 climb. Nothing phony about the pic. Tom has a couple of other pictures just like that one in the database. Great stuff.

 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 1:32 am

Hey, check it out...must be a 737 stalling or something..


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just ignore Peter's notes...it *must* have been rotated.  Insane
 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 1:59 am

I think that this topic should be locked - the original post was criticising a photograph that is in the database (you KNOW it wasn't stalling Setjet), and that's against the rules.

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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:10 am

Andy, relax a bit.
I wasn't critisising anybody or anything, in my culture you just use sometimes a thing called "irony" to point something out.

As a matter of fact: You can't see if the picture is in level and I find the following discussion quite interesting (how sometime reality is different than what you see).

But please go ahead and lock this topic if you have to, and maybe the whole "photography forum" as well...(that was again irony!)  Big grin
 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:25 am

Setjet said: in my culture you just use sometimes a thing called "irony" to point something out

Yes, and what were you pointing out? That ironicallly there's another photograph already in the database which was taken with the camera not level?

Well oh dear!

Point is we're out of "not leveled" discussions at the moment - we'll end up having the whole discussion about what constitutes level or not all over again, albeit against the sky rather than a hangar. This forum is in danger of going down hill quite rapidly what with all the carping and criticising that's been going on recently, and if it carries on much more then the folks on here who add genuine value when they can might just start to go away.

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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 2:13 pm

I do not think this topic should be locked. Also, I do not believe Setjet -who started this topic did so for bad reasons. I admire Tom's photos - he is pretty much the only person other than I to submit photos from the wild, hilly, hillbilly state of West Virginia. However, I must say, the angle of this plane is kinda scary............................
 
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RE: Stalling DC9 Or Not Level?

Sat Aug 03, 2002 5:38 pm

The one thought that occurred to me when I was taking the picture was "what exactly is the threshold for the DC-9". - so thats not too far from SetJet's issue.

As it happens, I've seen DC-9s do a handful of impressive climbs in 30 years of watching them that didn't seem too dissimilar (from whatever my vantage point was)..but anyway, my feet were planted on flat ground, it was the steepest ascent of the day, and all the images of other aircraft from that day were from the same spot and none seemed to come out in such a way as I would question if I was tilting them -either at all, or not siignificantly.

Having said that, discussions of illusions, cropping, DC-9 performance limits, level cameras etc. are not without value. But the suggestion/assumption that I took an image of a plane against the sky, with no reference point, and then deliberately rotated it to an implausible or impossible angle, and uploaded it, is incorrect.

Tom

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