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D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:32 pm

Hi,

I'm going to buy a D60. This means I'll also need one or two new lenses. These are the options:

- Buy a EOS300 package (comes with a Canon 28-90 and 75-300) for ???600;
- Sigma 28-300;
- 28-200 and 70-300

The thing is: if I would like to get a good profile shot of a widebody over here, anything excess of 100mm is probably too big. So, if you consider the 1,6 factor on the D60, the 75-300 is probably just too big. Damn!

That's why I decided to go for a 28-300 (Sigma). However, some people advice me not to buy this, since this is a telelens as well as a wide angle lens and hence probably not as good as other, normal, lenses.

So, a guy advised me to get for instance a 28-200 (would be good to shoot widebodies and still gives me 300mm, good enough to get some closeups of the aircraft) and a 70-300 for the heavier stuff...

Any advice you guys can give me? Should I stick to the Sigma 28-300, or go for the 28-300 and 70-300 lenses? What about the package deal? At first it sounded pretty good, but I'd need the 28-90 lens for widebodies, and this lens only goes to like 145mm, which is not enough to get good close-ups.

Oh man, this choice is almost killing me....Somebody HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:28 pm

Whats the F Stop of the sigma? I would only buy a 300 if the F stop is F4.5 (on the 300 end) or lower, I prefer F2.8.

Go for F2.8 lens, you won't be disappointed in the speed that you have available at night.
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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:38 pm

A 28mm on the D60 would not be wide enough. It's equivalent to 45mm which is not good for general photography. I suggest something at least 20mm for wide angle shots. Hope this helps!
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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:42 pm

Just stay away from the hyperzooms, i.e 28-300 or similar.

If you need to go wide, Sigma has a 17-35mm f2.8-4, nice lens!



 
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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:18 pm

Firstly, I'd be aware of budget lenses - the D60 is genuinely capable of demonstrating the limitations of these. If you plan to economise on lenses, there doesn't seem to be a lot of point in investing in a 6+mp camera - a good system is a balanced system. I believe a shot from a D30 with a decent lens "res'd up" will match D60 output using a lesser lens. Not that this means having to invest in L lenses, but I would be wary of some of Canon's (or any other manufacturer) budget offerings.

Having said that, if I could only choose 1 lens for aviation photography, it would have to be the 100-400mm IS L. Yes, this is a very expensive lens but a) it has a good focal range b) thanks to IS you'll be able to use it in a wide of light conditions and c) it has no bad optical characteristics at any focal length. It is my "standard" lens for avaition photography, despite the fact I have the 300 f4 and 70-200 f2.8 which are optically better lenses.

To cover the wide end of things, something in the 17-35mm range is ideal - actually something even wider would be nice, but the money gets silly. I use the Canon 17-35mm L which I'm happy with, but Canon have recently released the better 16-35mm L. This does mean you have a good chance of finding a used 17-35 at a reasonable price.

Note, however, that these are quite big lenses - and frankly, zooming at this range is a bit of a luxury - a real alternative would be to buy a couple of fixed lenses ... say a 20mm and a 35mm. Both would be quite small and the combined cost could well be less than a quality zoom.

Finally, don't disregard the Canon "standard" 50mm 1.8 - this lens is a real bargain ... a little plasticy in construction, but extremely sharp and optically fine - also very small and light.

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Tue Aug 13, 2002 9:31 pm

If you don't need anything at the very wide end to start with, a 28-105 and a 75-300 seems like a good combo for a decent price.
 
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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 12:02 am

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll give it a thought...

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:27 am

The Canon EF 28-135 IS is an amazing lens.. never used it on a D60 though! I'd give it a whirl.

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:04 pm

Thanks for the advice. Of course, I wasn't planning on economizing on lenses (by the way, I have currently a lens from an unknown brand and it performs very well).

It's just the fact, that I would like to be able, when using the camera here at BRU, to shoot widebodies 'side-on' and still being able to get some good close-ups when they approach or when they have passed and touch down on the runway. For this job, an 28-300mm would be ideal (bear in mind the 1.6 factor on the D60).

I'm probably going to go for a 28-200mm and 70-300mm. Do you think this is something good?

Maybe I'll also go for something like 20-40mm...you know, for those cockpit shots  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:34 pm

Most Ideal would be a

17-35, a 35-70, and a 70-200. Offcourse Canon has these in the L series, but it 'll cost ya dearly!

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:36 pm

I would recommend the 28-200 mm lens of Canon together with either the 75-300 mm or 100-400 mm, of course both from Canon.

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 7:26 pm

Thanks for the comments guys. You know, this is killing me  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Choosing the camera was far less mindkilling than choosing the right lenses.

By the way, what about a 50-500mm? Sigma has one. If this lens is fairly good, I wonder why the 28-300mm shouldn't be?

But yes, an 28-200mm should be good to spot at BRU RWY25L (~45-300mm). Even widebodies should fit in quite good. The other lens, a 70 (or 75)-300mm (~115-450mm) could be used for close-ups. Of course, this means I probably won't be able to shoot side-on shots of widebodies. But hey, one has to make a choice, right?

By the way, does anybody of you guys sometimes feel like 'damn, do I want to photograph the whole plane side-on, or should I go for some special close-up?'.

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:50 pm

Ivan,

the 50-500 is 10x zoom,

the 28-300 is a 10,7 zoom. That is one part of the problem, the other is the wide angle part, it is a very tricky type of lens. Good (really good) wide angle lenses cost a fortune!

One more suggestion: have you considered the 35-350L zoomlens from Canon? It is an L lens, so optically good, and it gives you an effective 56-560 mm zoom.

Don't know in Bru, but here in AMS that is more than enough on both ends of the zoom.

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:21 am

Wietse:

Hi. Yes, I have been considering that one as well. But, since it is an 'L' type lens, I'm not sure how much it costs. And since it could cost a small fortune, I'm not setting my mind on that one (yet). But indeed, it could be a very good one. Consider what you could get with that one and a 2x teleconverter...hmmm sweet...

Another thing I've been thinking of: how about the following combination of lenses: first a 28-200mm (either Sigma or Canon) and next a 100-400mm (I think only Canon offers a 100-400mm. I read however that the last one is also quite expensive. But, for some reason, people always refuse to mention the price. I wonder how that would come. Should I better start getting afraid or what?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:47 am

If you are concerned about quality over convenience, I would disregard any wide - tele zoom. This requires too many design compromises to allow for truly high optical performance. Prime lenses in the 35mm to 24mm bracket are not very expensive, unless you want a very fast aperture as well, and will give you much better results (as well as being a sight easier to hold still!).

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:50 am

The 100-400L IS comes in at about 2050€.... But i've shot with it (thanks Tim!) and it is a very very cool lens, I hope to ever own one myself. I love the way you softly feel the IS click into action mode, wonderfull!

Ivan, don't make compromises... Decide what kind of photography you want to start with. But a optically good lens just for that purpose. Than later on, expand with a lens that cover the other end of you wishes.
So for instance, if you want to go artistic (close ups) go for something like a 100-400 L IS. Later on, you can always go for a 17-35mm L for 1600€.

it may look like a lot of money, but it gives you the benefit to never be able to blaim your equipment again, there will be no more limiting factors. You can learn to really shoot!

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:06 am

Yeah, Wietse, and that's the down side - having invested in top quality gear, I can no longer blame my kit - any screw-ups are down to me!

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Fri Aug 16, 2002 3:43 am

Thanks for all the advice guys. Anyway, I'm going to my photoshop tomorrow to order the D60. I'll ask the dealer for some more advice, and then I'll decide which lenses I'll buy.

Prepare for another (good?) A.net photographer  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:25 am

OK guys, today I went to the photography store and ordered my D60!!! Can't wait to get this sweet thing, and make some fine quality pictures...

For those of you who are interested in which lenses I bought:

Sigma 28-200mm HZ Compact (45-320mm on D60): Gives me the ability to zoom out and get some decent shots of widebodies coming in at BRU, but still gives me the flexibility to shoot some nice close-ups, at 320mm.

Canon 75-300mm USM (118-480mm on D60): While this lens still offers me the opportunity to get side-on shots of most aircraft (you know what I mean), I'm able to get some really nice close-ups of aircraft. I know they also have a IS version, but it wasn't worth the €500 additional cost. But, maybe if I work a few months, who knows (well, maybe I'll go straight to the 100-400mm)?

After my first couple of months of work, I'll probably buy another (couple of?)lens(es): maybe a good wide-angle lens, and a Canon 100-400mm or a Sigma 50-500mm. Maybe I'll try some sort of teleconverter as well...

Once again, thanks for all the information guys!

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:38 am

Did you read the other guys posts at all?

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:02 am

Jan Mogren:

1. Of course I did. Why would I else start a new topic? Just to draw some attention? Don't think so. By the way, thanks to the replies over here (a bunch of other guys and the guy in the photo store) I didn't go for the Sigma 28-300mm lens.

2. There's no need to write down such a 'hostile-like' message. Seems like you're holding me for a fool. Well, all I can tell you is that I'm not.

3. I gave all the possibilities a serious thought. I did a cost-benefit analysis of almost all lenses currently available, and thought of what I needed... I'm not gonna buy a lens, no matter how good it may be and no matter how much you guys may advice it to me, if I think it won't offer me the possibilities I'm looking for...I just don't wan to end up changing lenses every five minutes. Now what good are a couple of lenses, if I have to switch all the time? That's just not practical. Bottom line is, when taking in account my budget and the possibilities I currently was looking for, these two lenses will suit my needs most of all. And, after all, I'm paying the bill, right?

Don't get me wrong guys...You guys really thought me a lot about some lenses that are currently available, you really did. But I just don't have the budget at the moment of buying two lenses and spending ??? 4000. But, maybe I will in a couple of months. But, as already said, I'm convinced that the two lenses I ordered will suit my needs really good...and they'll make some really good pictures...

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:50 pm

If you say so......

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:57 pm

"...I know they also have a IS version, but it wasn't worth the €500 additional cost."

The additional money from the non IS to the IS version is 295 Euros at NY Camera, 500 is too much. And BTW, the IS is worth every single Euro.

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RE: D60: Which Lenses Should I Buy?

Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:00 pm

Well, guess I'll just have to find out when I have all my gear, right? After a few months, I'll probably have a better view wether the equipment I bought was the right one or not.

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