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Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:21 pm

Hello all!

This photo was really changed in PS or something like that, what would you all say? I mean it looks great, but...........you know the rest.  Smile


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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:26 pm

Not regarding the 'classic' editing work (sharpening,contrast,...) why should this one be so special that it must have been edited in PS?

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:30 pm

Nope, you must not notice. Look at the angle of climb! There is now way a loaded 747 can do that. Some people know how to use there rotating features!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:36 pm

Well, AFAIK, this shot hasn't been rotated at all in PS. This is probablt the way this picture was taken. Just try to look at it as if your the photographer and the aircraft is passing quite low, just next to you. If you take a picture then, it can turn out like this one.

So, basically, don't try to look at it as if the ground is just underneath of it and completely level, because it isn't. You know, you see an aircraft, follow it in your viewfinder and snap some shots. It's always possible that some of them turn out like this one. It can give you the impression of a 747 with an unusually high AOA, but in fact the aircraft is just flying over, in its usual AOA.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 6:41 pm

Possible.......but I want to hear the opinion of the other guys!

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 7:26 pm

Wow Dmitry finally a shot you dont like Big grin
I dont think its altered in terms of rotation. Its just the combination of climbing and turning which makes the angle look very steep.
Its the same here:

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Sat Sep 07, 2002 7:37 pm

I'm familiar with the t/o and landings @ JFk and it appears that this pic was taken near the Beach Channel area in the evening. If so, then runway 31L was used and if you are familiar with that area, then a pic taken at this angle is possible. Would those of you who are familiar with JFK care to comment?
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 8:04 pm

Yeah Peter is spot on - definately not rotated - and I've seen other threads about this before - I'm sure Tom Turner would be getting too tired to do all that rotating since many of his shots show exactly the same a/c attitude from take-off at the same airport.....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:31 pm

Dmitry, never been under the flight path of an aircraft when taking off?

Try it, it looks like every plane is a rocket climbing.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sat Sep 07, 2002 9:46 pm

Wow Dmitry finally a shot you dont like

Don't forget the B1, Peter  Big grin

Shot is not rotated I think.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:42 am

Looks PERFECT to me. Nice late afternoon/evening light. no rotation in Photoshop- NOTHING
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 2:59 am

Hm, must have been my tired eyes last night!

Sabena 690, you sure are agresive about that B1!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:16 am

No, I think this photo is "tweaked up.":


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I mean, how did those mountains get on top of the plane? There is NO WAY that small plane could support the weight of a whole mountain range! That's insane!

This must be a composite. Or manipulated in Photoshop. Fake. Simple as that. Fake, fake, fake, fakity fake fake. And since I think so, I insist we all talk about how fake it is, here in the court of public opinion without ever consulting the photographer.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:33 am

No, I was only joking, Dmitry  Big grin

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 6:11 am

Zebfly2 hit the nail right on the head before.... but just to confirm it too, the proof is in the pudding on the map below.
X spot is where the shot was taken from and the yellow trail is the path for rwy 31L departures...



Dmitry- you gotta mellow out a little, there's no PS conspiracy theory going on here. I know Tom well... that's not his style.

~Carlos

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>>I'm familiar with the t/o and landings @ JFk and it appears that this pic was taken near the Beach Channel area in the evening. If so, then runway 31L was used and if you are familiar with that area, then a pic taken at this angle is possible. Would those of you who are familiar with JFK care to comment?<<
 
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 8:15 am

Once again when someone can't figure out how a pic was made, the 'Photoshoped' charge is levied. Why must people make their suspicions here as opposed to addressing the photographer themselves ?

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 9:32 am

Thanks for the confirmation and affirmation Carlos. I may not be a world class photographer like most of you who post your pics here, but I do know my S@#T when it comes to JFK since I spent close to 30 years living near JFK. Keep up the good work Tom!!
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 9:38 am

Take a look at all his photos, he has many like that. I don't think they were tweaked. Chris Sheldon and Joe Pries have a few shots like that as well.
 
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 11:27 am

I agree with you guys now. Didn't mean to make this such a thread.

And Exitrow, you need a lot of rest! Just easy off there, I didn't really notice Toms shots earlier.

Talk to you all later,

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:42 pm

Well Dmitry, think twice before posting.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:55 pm

And Exitrow, you need a lot of rest!

Dmitry,
My point is simple.

Don't dish out criticism if you cannot take it yourself. You've started a lot of threads lately that have been rather critical and flat out break forum rules and ettiquite.

To publicly question the authenticity of images with virtually no valid proof and ask for some sort of consensus is just flat out disrespectful. I was hoping to illustrate that by reversing the roles in my exaggerated post. It doesn't feel very good does it?

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 4:04 pm

Hey I get you guys. I am ready to take all the criticism there is out there. Thats how I got started with this fun hobby! I didn't start this thread to put down anyones photo's.

So lets end it on this.

Hey Tom, those are some sweet shots there! And I got it figured out, they aren't adjusted in PS for rotation. Keep em comin.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:37 pm

Dmitry, forget my last message please. It was written after a long night of beers and beers.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 2:53 am

Sure Luis its erases from my vision. Ever hear of "don't drink and type"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy? Just joking Luis.

Have a good day!

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 3:17 am

oh man, ive got a delta 777 shot coming up and i have a feeling im gonna be getting absolutely SLAMMED- im worried already  Big grin

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 3:54 am

Upload it Joe, you won't get any slamming. I hope. Not from me atleast.  Smile

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 9:15 am

I've seen the RAW file Joe's talking about and it's legit, but unfortunately it's going to be questioned by some of the armchair screeners on here.... everyday a new one seems to be appearing out of the woodwork with his vast BS knowledge and expertise in photo manipulation.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 9:30 am

Look Joe don't worry about it. I'll just reject it before it gets online.

I'll implement the BAD Debate reule  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:29 am

ok i'll upload it tonight but i have a feeling that there's gonna be a firestorm brewing.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:56 am

Can't wait to see it Joe.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:04 am

Joe, I expect to see it in my Inbox when i get home in 4 hours.
 
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:22 am

ok i just uploaded it and am still uploading others as i write this..

 Big grin

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 1:18 pm

Carlos:
armchair screeners
????????
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 1:49 pm

Dmitry
this picture was taken from same spot


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and I am not rotate a pic.

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 1:58 pm

Hey Peter- the term is pretty familiar on this side of the pond and is often used around here as "armchair quarterback." The guys (fans) who talk the big talk on Monday morning at work after seeing the Sunday afternoon football games here in the US. They "think" they know it all about the game, but they don't "play" the game. Well... seems we now how a.net "armchair screeners" on here. Guys on these forums who all of a sudden come on here and ridicule honest legit shots, then try and set out to ruin a guys name without one ounce of proof or merit that his shots are fake.
For example... the ongoings in this thread. Perfect example of what I mean.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/62094/

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 6:20 pm

Privet Yevgeny! Kak dela?

Great photo! I now know its not fake and am fasinated by them! Hope to see you in NYC wit another grerat guy in the middle of Nov. E-mail me if you have any questions, e-mail is on file.

Thanks!

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Mon Sep 09, 2002 7:11 pm

Carlos Borda,

that map you posted must be fake, fake, fake.
Anyone can see that the light is not correct, and it must have been rotated as well. A truly PS work. Big grin

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:14 am

Sudden,

I actually created that map with Paint Shop Pro so it is FAKE hahahahaha just like all the photos of 31L departures  Smile

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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:47 pm

Around here that's what we affectionally call a "Mike Job"  Big grin
You'd be surprised what he can do with PSP...

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Sudden writes:

>>Carlos Borda, that map you posted must be fake, fake, fake.
Anyone can see that the light is not correct, and it must have been rotated as well. A truly PS work<<
 
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Tue Sep 10, 2002 6:31 pm

Mikephotos,

I call your bluff, and say that the Paint Shop Pro you use, IS FAKE!!!
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RE: Now This Photo Is Really Tweaked Up!

Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:49 pm

Mike's the tech support for the Newyorkers (spotters)!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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