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Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:48 am

I was at JFK the other day and the wonderful rent-a-cop told me that I could not take pictures.

I remember that there once was a post about the FAA sending you a letter saying that you can take pictures without problems.

Does anyone know who I can call/ write in the NYC area to ask for the letter?

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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:53 pm

Port Authority of New York would be the place. They operate all the airports.
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Tue Sep 17, 2002 3:46 am

I doubted if PANY would give out a letter...since they are all rent-a-cop
 
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:55 am

The letter would be from the TSA. The address is at www.tsa.gov . Just mail them a letter and in 6 weeks they'll get back to you.

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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:23 am

This is a blow as a friend of mine is off to JFK mid november and i know he'll be eager to take pics, as for me ... i was hoping to get a good offer and go over next year, maybe not now ....
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:08 am

The problem is not the FAA, TSA, or any other federal agency. It is the local idiots who get ordinances created that prohibit photography. That is what happened @ CLL but for some reason they refused to admit it to me until I confronted them with proof they were lying. Then they finally admitted that it was Texas A&M University (TAMU runs the airport in College Station) and not the federal government that created that idiotic rule.

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Go With The Flow...

Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:59 am

Last October I was questioned by authorities while taking pictures near runway 10L at PIT. I have a digital cam so I showed a few of the photos of the last few I had captured to this local yocal on my LCD and he was blown away by the technology -

He smiled and said - "Nice pictures - never seen anything like that before".

He drove away - and I have never had problems since....

Before he drove away he told me he reported the license plate number of my truck. I guess I am on file...
 
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:52 pm

Jeff has it right. Please take the time to write out a nicely written letter explaining your hobby/personal passion asking that things be made clear. When you get a response, print it out, make copies, carry them with you.

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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:24 pm

The problem is not the FAA, TSA, or any other federal agency. It is the local idiots who get ordinances created that prohibit photography. That is what happened @ CLL but for some reason they refused to admit it to me until I confronted them with proof they were lying. Then they finally admitted that it was Texas A&M University (TAMU runs the airport in College Station) and not the federal government that created that idiotic rule.


B757300,

Could you please direct me to the specific TAMUS regulation that deals with this? What's the most they can do to you if you break this regulation?
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Wed Sep 18, 2002 12:31 am

I have no idea which TAMU rule this is. The TAMU system is a very screwy organization which to this day I can't figure and I've worked @ TEEX for five years. It all has to do with Texas Task Force 1, TEEX-NERRTC (National Emergency Response & Rescue Training Center) and military flights. As my boss and I have learned, TTF-1 & NERRTC are like the TAMUS version of "Black Ops". Very little about them is known and asking is NOT encouraged. I've once had to deal with NERRTC over a broken laptop computer and it took 6 weeks before we were allowed to surplus the stupid thing.

When it comes to any of TAMU's anti-terrorism & response training, they are very secret. I feel special that Mr. Happ even allowed me to see the memo telling airport admin. to restrict access to anyone taking pictures and to remove any who do not have official permission and are not being supervised.
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:34 am

B757300,

Do you think we're going to see it come down to being required to wear airport access badges at CLL? As it is, you can still just open the gate and walk on to the tarmac and no noone wears ID badges. The only time I actually saw a police patrol ON THE RAMP was on the 4th of July when I was out there and the officer just asked me how I was doing and to report to the police any "suspicious" activity. Outside the ramp on the roadways and outside the fence by the Mckenzie Terminal is a different story; I've been asked to leave twice, once by a TAMU cop and the other was a rent-a-cop. I wrote a lettter complaining to the police department but recieved no response.
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:55 am

I have no idea what they're planning to do but I.D. badges would not surprise me. Over @ the John B. Connally building (Headquarters for all of the TAMU System including TEEX & NERRTC) over by the Hilton, all employees have to wear I.D. badges and if you don't work there, you have to go through the front door, sign in, get an I.D. badge, and soon will have to provide photo I.D. and then you'll get a visitors badge. I have to do this every time I go up there even though I WORK for TEEX but not @ the same building. TAMU considers the JBC Building to be a "high value target" for terrorists all because NERRTC is located on the first floor.

The same mentality is what governs the airport. Make everything look "secure" so people will feel better but don't really improve security. It seems the passenger terminal is where they really are 100% sure a terrorist problem will occur. To quote "We don't want a terrorist getting thorugh this airport because it would give them access to the entire U.S. airline system. Terrorists probably think that smaller airports will have less security. We will not allow that to be the case." They don't want people taking pictures inside the terminal, of the ramp where aircraft load/unload, or of airport procedures around the terminal. Even pictures of the tarmac from inside the terminal will result in having your film taken.

I would like to know which TAMU idiot thought up this rule. Something tells me the head of TEEX (who is going to be the Chancellor of Engineering soon) had a big part of it.
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:54 am

Well, it's been a few months since i've been over at the McKenzie Terminal, but I don't see any signs posted anywhere that say I can't take as many pictures as I want to. And if they want my film, I will kindly say "NO".


As my boss and I have learned, TTF-1 & NERRTC are like the TAMUS version of "Black Ops". Very little about them is known and asking is NOT encouraged. I've once had to deal with NERRTC over a broken laptop computer and it took 6 weeks before we were allowed to surplus the stupid thing.

When it comes to any of TAMU's anti-terrorism & response training, they are very secret.



It's hard for them to enforce so-called "secret" rules...
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:35 am

I asked them why they don't post signs saying "No Photography" if they don't want people taking pictures. The response was "If there are too many signs, people will ignore them".
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RE: Letter From The FAA About Spotting

Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:12 am

HAHAHAHA! TAMU can go to hell.. Oh yea, I better graduate first.  Smile

Seriously, though, TAMU IS the government, so it's not like it private (if even if it were, I'm a student here) so they better have good cause to take any action against me w/ due process.
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