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Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 1:50 am

Hey guys!

I found this shot, shot be Vasco. Very beautiful. Would like to know if it is digital, if so, what kind of camera/lense?

I see a bit of grain in the sky, but still digital quality.


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-Dmitry
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 2:13 am

Date Taken : August 21, 2000

It aint digital! AFAIK but im pretty sure

LGW
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 3:13 am

I am pretty sure this one is scanned, not digital.

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Frederic
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 3:51 am

just look for the scan dirt and you can see that it's not digital. also, look at the grain.

mike
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:32 am

Definetly not digital, or else it's a pretty poor digital cam. And I know that Vasco shoots slides, so there ya go.
 
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Not Yet - Maybe Soon...

Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:07 am

This one is just another clean, old fashioned film scan by Vasco. Rumour has it - he may be moving into the digital world sometime in the next year or so. Would love to see it. Inevitable - sooner or later the "dark digital" side will claim enough to declare superiority over film... Wait - what is that you say? Ah yes - I realize this... many of my friends do not like digital music - they still are in love with vinyl - and listening to their favorite tunes on old fashioned turn tables (record players).

Vinyl - film - digital photos...

whatever... to each his own
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:47 am

I've also been told that digital is "cheating" ...

But where do you draw the line?

People using these high-tech film bodies have all the good stuff - pinsharp, amazingly fast autofocus, numerous automatic modes, a truly "live" view from the viewfinder...

 Insane

-Shawn
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:48 am

Those people would shit a brick if they were given one of the old, full-manual film bodies like I have. That's "real" photography.
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:27 pm

D,

thanks for the plug, but this sure is no Digital.
I like the shot a lot, but did not use a Digicam then and have no one right now.

Vasco

 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:42 pm

Vasco, what film did you use?

-Dmitry
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:50 pm

D,

Sigma 170-500 f5.6-6.3. shot at 500mm (afternoon light)
Kodak Elite Chrome 100.

I am sure if I rescan the slide today, it would look somewhat different!

Vasco
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:50 pm

Great results! Has that nice shiny look. How come you shoot on Elitechrome?

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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:11 pm

1.) I am not a slide trader
2.) I don't like K64
3.) K14 processing stinks


 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:14 pm

You don't like Provia?
/JM
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:51 pm

Jan,

I have been shooting Elite Chrome for about 2 years!
Since most pros either shoot K25/64 or Provia 100F I bought 2 rolls of Provia and tried it the other day.

Looking forward to the results!

Vasco
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:27 pm

one of the old, full-manual film bodies like I have. That's "real" photography.

Having shot extensively on both old cameras (and I mean old - no built in light meters, nothin!) and the latest and greatest (D60), all I'll say is that I have more options and flexibility now than I ever had before. Sometimes I shoot full auto, sometimes full manual - usually something in between, depending on circumstances. I find I'm working more "with" the camera rather than "around" the camera, if you see what I mean.

I remember going to a lecture given by a noted commercial photographer who sold fine art images at huge prices. His gear was Hassleblad. When question time came round, someone asked if he had ever tried stretching his artistic development by using only a box brownie ... actually that's the gist of the question, the actual question was much more convoluted and full of long words. But the answer was succinct - "why the hell would I want to do that!?"

"Real" photography? Don't know what that is ... what I do is try and make pictures that look the way I intended when I pressed the shutter ... call it photography, digital imaging, whatever.

What I do know is that I have far more control over my pictures since I used a computer rather than a film lab to make my prints, and I also think my "picture taking" has further improved since I went digital - but I'll leave you to decide that for yourselves ... most of my pics have equipment details.

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Colin
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:25 am

Hey Colin!

I think is great when you include the settings you use on each photograph, please keep doing so. And, keep those sweet pics coming!

-Dmitry
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:34 am

Tell tail signs:

Grain in the sky, this is sooooooo characteristic of a slide scan, digital grain looks alot different (it looks digital, surprisingly).

The shadow side of the aircraft is not 'clean'. There is grain caused by the darker areas of the shadows, which is also a characteristic in a slide and something you do not get with digital (no grain in shadow areas especially on high end digital cameras). Only digital fault is that everything will be distorted if it is a low end digi-cam, not just grainy.

Most of all, this pic is very contrasty, which would explain the 'digital' look.

dan  Big grin
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:44 am

Welcome back Dan.

Vasco, was this still on the tired S20?

If so, it still outputs some pretty good scans. I am curious to see what you can do with provia!

Wietse
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:29 am

Wietse,

well back then, Aug 2000, the S20 was only a couple of months and some hundreds of scans old.
There are some other images I could point out from older uploads which could be also "digital".

If I have time, I'll do so.

Vasco G.
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:42 am

yeah, I'm not that impressed by the S20 but this is a pretty good image, and i assume it was the scan that was originally uploaded?

Especially considering you were shooting the aircrafts dark side!!! Tribute to a great (non-K64  Laugh out loud) photographer I might add  Big thumbs up.

thanks Wietse  Big grin
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:57 pm

Vasco,

I didn't have a look at the date on which it was added.... I figured it was a recent upload. I am sure that when the scanner was still new it produced some perfect scans. (result can be seen here)

You are not getting into a new scanner no right? Weren't you saving up for a D100?

Wietse

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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:36 pm

Nope, no new scanner for me!
For my way of shooting, Digital is the way to go! Now I have to save up some money! 600mm f2.8 will be a killer!

Yes I am aiming for the D100.

Vasco





 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:56 pm

I have yet to try Provia 100F, I have 2 rolls still in my bag. The S20 is a pain in the butt, I can't get rid of the pink/purple horizontal line on the prints and negs.
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 4:17 am

Vasco, how come you want the D100 instead of the S2? Any particular reason for that choice?

-Dmitry
 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 5:53 am

Well,

If I have a choice, I would go for the successor of the D1X........

Seriously, right now I have not made up my mind, but tend to go with the Nikon.
Nikon lenses, Nikon camera, simple as that!
Then again who knows if I will buy one after all!

Vasco

 
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RE: Is This Shot Digital?

Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:34 am

I see why Vasco would go for the D100 as he is such a proud nikon user (ps. nikon sucks  Big grin).

I'd take the D100 ove the S2 as well as the results from the S2 that I have seen are not that impressive IMO, compared to its competitors.

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