jhooper
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Penalties For Photography At Airports

Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:29 pm

Okay, I know taking photography at airports is not illegal, but people seem to still be harrassed for spotting or taking photographs in and near airports. My question is, what is the most they can nab you with if they wanted to get you in trouble for taking photos? Treaspassing? Disorderly conduct? Loitering? Disobeying a police officer? Heck, what if someone went right up to a security checkpoint and started snapping away at the xray machines and screeners in violation of posted signs? What's the penalty for that?
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:25 pm

In many countries it IS illegal to photograph at airports - especially in the Middle East.....so if caught the worst you can get is a charge of Espionage......not good.

So I assume you mean US airports, or at least US & "Western"? Certainly wouldn't think of snapping away inside the airport in such places.....
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:53 pm

Well I'm not sure about the US, but there are all kinds of "special" rules which apply when terrorism (or suspicion of it) comes into to play - for a start you can forget about all those "rights" you may think you have. Certainly in the UK they can throw you in a cell for 48 hours without making any charges.

Some years ago - at YUL - I was waiting to go through security. The guy in front set off the scanner alarm and said, "Oh that's just my gun" - obviously joking. Immediatly two RCMP officers appeared and escorted off somewhere despite his frantic "I was only joking!". Don't know what happened to him, but he wasn't on the flight.

Anyway, bottom line is I don't know what they can do to you - but I'm sure they can make your life miserable for at least a short while. Confiscation of film/equipment would be a real risk. I don't feel inclined to engage in any experimentation. I just obey the rules and do what I'm told.

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:00 am

okay; I'm specifically talking about the U.S.
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:19 am

First you have to break off between actions that are legal and those that are not legal.

If the action is illegal it will depend on if the crime is a felony or midsdemeanor. Making a JOKE about a bomb at a security check point is a federal felony. I would have to do some research, but if I remember correctly it is a 5 years/$10,000 fine. (feds are big on 5/10 stuff!) Of course that is the max penalty.

Now if you are taking photos in a place where you have a legal right to be and you are physically arrested someone is going to have to be very creative with what you are charged with. In California they could try for 148 P.C., Interfering with a Public Official. (police, fire etc...). If you were doing something legal, and were in a public place, you would have one hell of a civil suit open to you.

What it comes down to is play by the rules and you won't have a problem. And if you do follow the rules and soemthing happens you should consider legal action. (By "something happens" it has to be more than the police coming up to you and talking to you, taking down your name etc...If you are told to leave I would file a complaint with the appropriate agency. You have a legal right to be there as long as you are not invovled in criminal activity. Ask to speak to a supervisor right then and there or just do it and write a letter to the Chief's office or you city council people. It is a bit harder with private security guards, who tend to be the rather over zelous ones. But if you are PHYSICALLY ARRESTED you need to get legal help.)

I hope that all made sense. I find it funny that in the past year I have taken a few thousand photos at airports all over the Southwest U.S., at CDG, LHR and LGW, and have been talked to by the police ONCE. (And that was about 3 weeks after 9/11 when people were REALLY paranoid.) I was also contacted once at Sacramento by Airport Ops staff. No big deal.

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:27 am

2912n,

Thank you for your well-written response. Now I'm sure this varies by state, but is it a crime to refuse to leave when ordered by a security guard (or police officer for that matter) even if I'm able to prove I'm not breaking any law?
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:03 am

"is it a crime to refuse to leave when ordered by a security guard (or police officer for that matter) even if I'm able to prove I'm not breaking any law?"

That is going to depend on where you are. If you are on private property then you can be asked to leave. (It gets into a grey area...If the private property is open to the public you may have the same rights as if you were on a public street.)

If you are in a public place, where the general public has a right to be, you can be there and engage in any activity which is not otherwise illegal. Thats why no one could get rid of the Hare Krishnas at the airports, or now it seems to be the guys who collect signatures for petitions outside of the grocery store....

My advice would be this...If you are asked to leave by the police cooperate. But ask to speak to a supervisor and/or file a written complaint with the police department and city government.
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:56 am

If the private property is open to the public you may have the same rights as if you were on a public street.

By the way, I was told by a commissioned police officer to leave a PUBLIC street outside any restricted areas off the approach end of an airport runway where I was spotting.
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:06 am

The most I've ever gotten at JFK was the "You cant take pictures, you must leave" speach by the Rent-a-cops

Like that will stop me

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:08 am

You will have to research and see if there is any restriction on being there. I know that at one of our local military fields there is a public road that runs along the approach end of the runways. Great place to stop and look, but it often created hazards, so it is now posted, "NO STOPPING NO PARKING NO LOITERING" You may have the same issue.

On the other hand....

The police are flooded with warnings about potential threats to high profile targets. Then they are called by every tom, dick and harry who sees something they think is suspicious. They HAVE to check these things out. They get enough calls about someone hanging out taking photos by the airport, they get tired of the hassle and just tell people to leave. Not neccessarily the right way, but the easy way to deal with an issue. (The time will come when they blow off some tip and something happens. Guess who gets hung? For example, "Hey, we have a bunch of Arabs taking flight instruction here in the U.S. Wonder if someone should look into that?" "Nahhh, its no threat. It would violate their civil rights if we investigated." Someone got bit in the ass. Hang something like that over peoples heads and they will err on the side of caution.

 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:59 am

I know that at one of our local military fields there is a public road that runs along the approach end of the runways. Great place to stop and look, but it often created hazards, so it is now posted, "NO STOPPING NO PARKING NO LOITERING"

If that's the same military airfield I'm thinking of, I was once in the no parking zone and out of the car taking pictures. A traffic cop pulled up and said "You can't park here. Back down to just before where the sign says no parking, and we can't do anything. You can then walk up here to take your pictures" He even gave us his name so if there was any more problems, we could refer folks to him.

I guess that in the above case, if the parking problem was solved, the issue would then come down to loitering. There was alot of discussion in the past about whether being engaged in the legitimate activity of taking photographs constituted loitering. Pre 9/11, it seemed that the conclusion was that if you could demonstrate active current and possibly past involvement in photography of airplanes, they you weren't technically loitering. I would guess a fair bit of debate would take place with the local cops if anyone was to take that stance now!

Andy
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:16 am

When I got ran away from spotting, the cop said they were concened since there's a nuclear power plant right down the road, as well as being near the airport. He wasn't rude about it, and we politely left, but the funny part is that the friend I was with has legitimate access to the nuclear facility (he's a nuclear engineering major) and I have legitimate access to any TAMUFC aircraft since I'm an instructor out there.
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:07 am

Jhoooper-

I would venture a guess that somewhere along the admin line at your airport an administrator has decided that photos are bad. That information gets passed down the line as "don't let people loiter around the airport." As with just about everything else, the cop at the bottom of the chain just says, "okay...." and tells people to move on. A bit hard for him to argue with his bosses.

I was thinking of an example today while sitting on the beach watching the jets fly into North Island. (One lonely Marine guard in his shack watching so the joggers don't stray onto the base). The only airport in my area that has tight security is Palomar McClellen. (They had a mid air there today--2 light civil tried to enter the pattern at the same time and location. 3 dead.)

Now Palmoar is a dinky airport with just a few commuter a/c coming through to provide service to LAX. Hardly a terrorist threat. Yet they have the tightest security. Concrete barriers, RUDE private security guards, the whole deal. It ties right into the management, who have decided that they are going to have a SECURE airport. They make the old SAC bases look like parks! Sigh.
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:12 am

Oh yes, Andy...

Actually they have gotten a little pissy about people near the approach end of Miramar because some people were standing near the fence and got hit by some jet wash/exhaust. Of course they want to sue (Americans just luv dem lawyers....). So they really try to keep people moving.

There is also an issue on the property adjoining Miramar. It is Marine property but has several protected species on it. Fairy Shrimp being the main one I think. (Really...) A couple of years ago the police chased an armed robbery suspect who crashed his car into the off road area, getting stuck in some mud. Well this mud is where the shrimp reside. Even though the police were chasing this armed suspect some idiot from the environmental Gestapo came over, told the police to GET OUT and threatend THEM with arrest if they did not comply. Very strange world we live in.

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:30 pm

"what if someone went right up to a security checkpoint and started snapping away at the xray machines and screeners in violation of posted signs? What's the penalty for that?"



I don't know what the penalty is for that.But I think they would be quite harsh on you if you were taking photos of the checkpoints.Kids,don't try this at home.  Big grin
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:45 pm

About airport security:

I was dropping someone at the airport to get a rental car. I was there for less than a minute (barely enough time to say goodbye), and a cop was already banging on my window. You got to be kidding me, the airport gets 2 RJs, a MD-80, and now another RJ. What threat does this airport represent?
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:15 pm

The number of flights does not make the threat.
Under your reasoning it would be less of a problem if someone shot down one of those RJs with an SA-7 there than if they shoot one down at for example Boston Logan.
Effectively, since there is less manpower at the smaller facilities they have to be far more on edge because they know they can't cover everything constantly (whereas on large airports they usually have enough people to monitor the entire perimeter).

I agree with most what is said here:
- don't do anything illegal
- cooperate with the security staff (whether police or private guards), and be friendly with them
- if you think their request/order is wrong, ask their name and how to contact their supervisor. Then leave and contact that supervisor to file a complaint
- these people are just doing a thankless job in difficult times. If they do their work correctly they get sneered for being too harsh on people, if they mess up and something happens they get blamed for not doing a proper job. Remember that next time you talk to one of them, compliment them on keeping airtravel safe (without sounding sarcastic of course, mean it).
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:44 pm

Over in Antigua (ANU) they do post the penalties for taking photos at the airport - I do not recall the exact figures but they are a fine of about EC$5000 or 3 months' imprisonment.

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:51 am

Palomar McClellen

Tony,

Is that what I know as Carlsbad / Palomar?

If so, whilst I'm quite happy to accept your view on why the security is a little over the top, there certainly used to be a company operate out of there called (I think) Phoenix Aviation, operating rather grey Lear Jets on all sorts of dubious electronic counter-measures missions for the USN. Are they still there, and if so does this explain the zealousness????

Carlsbad/Palomar used to be such a nice place too - all those Convairs parked up!

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:59 am

Andy,

I'm not sure who still oeprates out of Palomar, I think Phoenix just operates out of North Island now. (I see their Leer's coming in frequently). Even if they are there they are a very low key operation. Heck, Hughes used to have their development base for the MD500 Defender there and security was never like it is now. In all honesty I think someone in airport management has just gotten carried away. I was there last spring to pick up someone, had wife and kid in the car and the security guard was a jerk to me. Ehhh, some people will always be that way.  Smile Not me of course...
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Thu Sep 19, 2002 8:08 am

Tony,

Thanks... And oh well, if I get down to SAN in the next couple of months or so (which is a possibility) I guess I'll just miss out on Palomar then!!!  Sad

Andy
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Thu Sep 19, 2002 8:41 am

Well let me know if you are in this neck of the woods! A pleasure to meet one of the "masters!"  Smile
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:48 pm

Jhooper,
I'm curious to know your motivation when asking..."what if someone went right up to a security checkpoint and started snapping away at the xray machines and screeners in violation of posted signs".....

In the scenario you describe, I would think today that broken bones could be the result of a defiant attitude a security checkpoint. Then who you gonna call-the doctor or the ACLU?

A reasoned approach to photography is required. It always was, but it is especially true these days. I think most of us need to keep in mind that while we are experiencing difficulties with what we percieve to be our "rights" as aircraft photographers, the younger ones among us especially need to think of future employment and the difficulty in getting a job when your record states "Resisted legal Authorities while one airport property."
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Thu Sep 19, 2002 8:36 pm

..."what if someone went right up to a security checkpoint and started snapping away at the xray machines and screeners in violation of posted signs".....

As I understand it, the only photography that is actually illegal at U.S. airports is exactly this - the photography of the security positions.

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:33 am

Tomh,

You make several good points. The purpose in me asking that question is to try and determine the difference between what they SAY they can do to you and what they can ACTUALLY do to you. I'm tired of hearing from rent-a-cops that they can put me in jail, etc. for taking pictures of airplanes. I used the security checkpoint example as an extreme, since this among other things was never a problem pre-9/11, and I know how people just love to make up laws that don't exist. (perhaps the checkpoint law does exist, but I would like to read it for myself if someone has a link to the specific statue which prohibits it). I'm all for following the law, but if it ain't illegal, then I expect the authorities to leave me alone.
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Fri Sep 20, 2002 9:16 am

Thanks for clarifying. My thinking is that the nation is in flux when it comes to security issues, and no one answer or set of answers is likely to prevail over time. Add to this that we have 50 states, and many different enforcement agencies involved. Rent-a-cop, National Guard, State and local police, sheriffs, and the citizenry in general. (Seen with a telephoto lens, I was reported by motorists and sure enough the sheriff came along). I lost my ability to shoot from that location because I was a distraction to motorists. Actually, this was probably accurate, there aren't many shooters at that airport, and the commuters were probably shocked out of their shorts.

I am concerned about our federal government asking its people to observe each other and report the results to officialdom. This is quite the opposite of what this country is all about, and I'm saddened to see this happen. I also wonder what the ultimate cost to our society will be when all the additional security and police folks are hired, trained and in place. Seems to me that everything we produce, and every service we perform will cost more, and take more time.

So, I guess we'll become a nation of computer programmers, highly paid sports professionals, and law enforcement officers. And photographers like myself, who have pulled in the reigns and shoot Cessnas and Pipers at the local drome instead. This doesn't answer your question or even resemble a solution to any of our shared problems with photography, but it's where I'm at pretty much right now. Guess I can label my activities "downward adaptation." Depressing, really.
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Fri Sep 20, 2002 9:36 am

Tom- I agree with you in that things are in a state of flux when it comes to security issues. No one is really sure about how to treat some things, should they be federal problems or local ones. Some people make a big deal about things, others low key it. It will take time for it all to settle out. (as an example...There is a large football game to be played after the season ends. Security at the event is traditionally the responsibility of the host city. But...if it becomes a "national security threat" then the federal government takes the responsibility---and pays the bills. Instead of it being a problem for security specialists to deal with it has become a political football which won't really be dealt with until after the November elections.

Far too many administrators are afraid of criticisim and civil liability. Just watch the testimony in front of the congressional comitee by relatives of those killed on 9-11. EVERYONE is to blame, from the NYPD to the Port Authority to the Secret Service to the INS to the CIA and the list keeps going. Instead of rational discussion we have finger pointing, which makes the politicians jump and they start trying to enact silly laws.

As far as the "spying" on one another. I think the message is poorly delivered and then is twisted around. No one, least of all not the cops, want everyone to call in and tell how their neighbor is speeding on the freeway, or is having an affair with his secretary....But being a good citizen, and that is open to definition, means if you see something that is going to get people hurt, or is obviously criminal, well, you need to report that. Don't watch the crook burglarize your neighbors house and say, "well, I didn't want to be a snitch..."

As you pointed out so well, "a reasoned approach is needed." Too bad the politicians don't do that. Carpel tunnel is setting in. I will shut up.  Smile
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 9:25 am

Hey Tony,

I've met you before. Im the limo driver for Cloud 9. Great photos by the way. I love the North Island stuff. I think I found another potential good photography spot you might want to check out. Its India and Palm. Do you know where that small pedestrian bridge is? If you walk to the end of it you could get some pretty good approach shots/touch down. Also you could get the city skyline in it.  Smile There is 1pic in the database that looks like it is shot from that place...but of course I can't find it. LOL. Well..I can't wait to see more pictures from you Tony. Always great work. Nice to see someone covering Montgomery,Ramona and Brown also.  Smile


aaron


I like these shots aloot. Are they from the 3rd floor of the CT?



 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 9:38 am

Opps....is this from the Commuter Term?



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Some of the UPS guys have seen this shot and like it.  Smile

This is the one that I think is taken from that bridge.


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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 11:37 am

The UPS 767 is from the roof of the hanger at the old Ryan property. Awesome view from up there, but very restricted access. (I could spend the whole day up there!!!!)  Smile

I will have to give the ped bridge a try again. The fence over the freeway makes it a tough shoot.
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:12 pm

The problem for Jhooper & myself who both live in CLL is the idiots who run Texas A&M University. They are so sure that TAMU is a target for a terrorist attack and the airport is the primary target, I've never heard the nuclear reactor mentioned. (BTW, the nuke is a research reactor only. Last time I checked it doesn't produce power and is usually in standby mode.) Lets see if I can explain what I've learned from the airport administrator and from my job with the TAMU System.

Even before Sept. 11th, TAMU was home to Texas’ Urban Search & Rescue (USAR) Team, Texas Task Force 1. TTF-1 was created after the Oklahoma City bombing to allow Texas to have a fully staffed and equipped organization to respond to any major disaster, natural or man made. TTF-1 is under the direction of Dr. Kem Bennett who is also the head of the Texas Engineering Extension Service for which I work. (His real name is George Kemble Bennett but he goes by Kem Bennett, no idea why. There is also a big stink now with him about some TAMU job appointments. Starting next week, he will be gone from TEEX but will become the Vice-Chancellor for Engineering) They have responded over the years to floods, tornados, and when the Bonfire fell @ TAMU in 1999, they used their equipment to search for survivors inside the rubble. Back in early 2001, TTF-1 moved into one of two large hangers @ Easterwood Airport. You can see the hangers in the only picture of CLL in the database, courtesy of me. After Sept. 11th, TTF-1 was deployed to the WTC. Upon their return, TEEX went into full terrorism mode. Access to the building that houses the TAMU System offices is now restricted, even to employees of the System who aren’t “lucky” enough to work in that building, like myself. TEEX also feels that TTF-1 and another TEEX organization called NERRTC, or National Emergency Response and Rescue Training Center, makes TAMU, TEEX, and the airport a major target for a terrorist attack. The current thinking is that terrorists will want to destroy our ability to respond to another attack by first killing off all people who train the responders and then killing the responders. (I still can’t figure out this reasoning and neither can most NERRTC people.) However, trying to probe into NERRTIC or TTF-1 is like trying to probe into the activities of the Delta Force. TEEX keeps those two organizations very secret and attempting to learn too much about them is NOT encouraged and will result in fairly harsh rebukes.

Another problem is a place called TEEX-ESTI or Emergency Services Training Institute. Up until a few years ago, it was called the Fire Protection Training Division. ESTI teaches all kinds of first responders including fire fighters, paramedics and haz-mat. (TEEX also does police training but that is under a different division.) Recently built @ the Fire Field (name still used by most TEEX people) is a place called “Disaster City”. This is designed to simulate a city that has just been hit by a nuclear detonation or some other kind of massive explosion. This program is all ties into NERRTC and TTF-1 has some kind of involvement. And why is ESTI a problem for people who might want to spot @ the airport. If you drive down the road that leads to the nuclear reactor, ESTI is on the left side and the airport is on the right.



If you look @ this picture, the passenger terminal in just below center. The general aviation buildings and hangers (including TTF-1's) are just slightly higher of center all way to the left. Top center of the map is ESTI. The lower complex is the Brayton Fireman’s Training School. The upper complex is “Disaster City”. The nuclear reactor is the small white dome in the top right of the picture. It shows that CLL is probably in the worst possible place because of all the “security” concerns.

Now here is the icing for this cake of stupidity. I heard this from the manager @ CLL, from 3 NERRTC people, and 4 from TTF-1. (Most rank and file TTF-1 and NERRTC people are real nice and don’t act like all of this is “Black Ops” stuff. The administration are the fools stuck in “Black Ops” mode.) TAMU is 110% convinced there is a terrorist sleeper cell made up of students who attend Texas A&M University. Now is it possible? Sure, anything is possible. We have a fair number of Middle Eastern students. Is it likely? Not very in my opinion and in the opinions of most. This is just TAMU’s way of creating all kind of dumb ass rules and using terrorism as an excuse. According to the airport Admin. and some people @ TEEX, security in and around CLL will become much tighter over the next few months. What they are planning I don’t know and probably don’t want to know. [sarcasm on] I’m just waiting for the day they bring out PAC-3 anti-aircraft missiles, M1-A2 MBT’s, and some F-22's to fly CAP. [sarcasm off]

As for what they can do to us. University P.D. has the same law enforcement powers as any other police department and if ordered, they will detain you. If they feel you were engaged in “suspicious” activity, they will either question you and let you leave, or if they feel you pose a threat, you will be taken to jail until the FBI can come to question you. What sucks is TAMU owns about 90% of the property that borders the freaking airport so THEIR rules apply even off direct airport property. The only good news lately is the guy who was hired to be the head of the Federal security people @ CLL is well known for being a good guy. He was a cop in Bryan for almost 30 years and I’ve met him several times. I’ve never heard anything bad about him and if he is ½ as good as his brother, he will be an improvement for CLL. (His brother also was a cop, is now on the city council, and taught sociology @ our junior college. His class was probably the best non-history course I’ve ever taken.)

I guess CLL will be a good airport again by 2015. That is when TAMU wants to close Easterwood and have a new city/county run airport open elsewhere. They want to tear down Easterwood and use the land for other purposes.
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:30 pm

Well the idea of an Aggie as a competent terrorist....I don't think so....

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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 1:34 pm

2912n,
I have a friend that lives on First Avenue, directly under the approach. Last time I was back in SAN, we went on her roof and the view was eeeeeeexcellent! (Think Smithers from the Simpsons.)

I'll be back there this Christmas, with my camera this time. Mwooohahahahaha!!!

 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 3:52 pm

B757300,

Wow! You've done your research. I wonder what impact these "security enhancements" at CLL will have on us in the TAMU Flying Club, as none of us have any ID card or anything to prove that we are members or otherwise have legitimate access to the ramp other than our pilot certificate (which several club members don't have either). Being a Corps Terd, I always assumed that the Trigon, Quad, or the George Bush Library were considered the greatest targets here, never really giving much thought to TTF-1 or NERRTC, but it makes sense. I never knew why they had TAMUS building near the Hilton, or what they were for.
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Sat Sep 21, 2002 7:48 pm

Exit...I would love to get up on one of those roofs. One day I will have to go up and eat at Mr. A's and bring the camera. But the expense.......(It is a Michelin star place...)
 
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RE: Penalties For Photography At Airports

Wed Sep 25, 2002 12:05 pm

Here in Ecuador, there is no law, and usually nobody seems to care. I've spent hours climbed on the perimeter wall taking pictures of planes. The airport security people drive by in their cars, they see me with the camera, and move on. However, this is Ecuador. Anything can happen here. What I can tell you from a personal experience, there is nothing wrong about taking pictures, unless it is in the American air base in Manta, or if you are taking pictures of military planes (As if there was anything secret about a Kfir, a Mirage, and a C-130).

Regarding treaspassing, that is illegal, and you might get slapped 9 out of 10 times, and what's worse if you are caught treaspassing and with a camera, you might never see your camera again. Just as long as you are within the limits, and you didn't park your car illegally there should be no problem. I've done it for years now, without any problem. But as I told you, this is Ecuador. You should consider coming down here to get some interesting shots of planes and volcanoes.

Cheers,

Sandro

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