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Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:08 pm

Which one is better? I know Minolta has more tele zoom, but on the other hand I think Sony's objective is better. So...your opinions are important to me.

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:24 pm

You should note that the Minolta 7Hi, which replaces the 7i, has already been announced.
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:11 am

If this will be your primary camera for aviation photography, I'd go with the 7Hi or another camera with a long zoom.

I personally own the F707 because it's a much more capable camera. I bought it because I do other types of photography besides aviation photography - still lifes, portraits, scenic, travel, landscape... the picture quality on the Sony is probably the best (right now) that you can get from a consumer-market 5mp camera.

But don't take my word for it - you really should go to a camera store and test drive some of the cameras.

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:49 am

I was faced with EXACTLY the same dilemna .... I had the Coolpix 5700, Sony F707 and the Minolta Dimage 7I to choose from .... I've chosen the F707 and will be ordering it for next day delivery October 1st  Smile
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:44 pm

Good choice, EGGF!!

The only minus of the F707 is the lack of teleconverter. I have the B300, which gives me more zoom (up to ~320mm) and a good pic quality. But the B300 stocks are running out.

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 10:29 pm

The manual zoom on the D7 is hard to beat.
 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 11:28 pm

Im gonna get the B-300 at the end of this month with abit of luck  Smile
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Tue Oct 08, 2002 1:12 pm

So I just returned my Sony F707 today, I had 10 days to try it out. Today I saw the Minolta DiMAGE 7Hi for the first time and I think I want it. Can any DiMAGE users let me know how you like it. Is the zoom really going to make a difference over the Sony? Let me know, should I get my Sony back or go for the Minolta?????

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Tue Oct 08, 2002 1:19 pm

Just get the Sony. The image quality is so much better. I mean c'mon, Sony is the one who's making the digital sensors (CCDs), and they're getting it right. You can always get a B300 teleconverter to step up the F707's zoom to 8.5x.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2002 2:40 am

By the way, Sony F 717 is coming out this weekend. I think you should look at that camera too. Check out the full review at www.dpreview.com. I will be getting that one as soon as it comes out, and I am lucky enough to already have a B-300. 323mm Optical zoom will be enough for most aviation photography at my home airport (DEN).

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:58 am

Well aware of the 717.....Can anyone though provide me with a little more input on this decision. Telling me to just get the sony doesn't help. What's the real deal? The fact the DiMAGE 7hi has a 128mb buffer before writing the image to memory is amazing. Do you know how many times I have missed a second chance waiting for the Sony to write? Well ok, not that many, as I only had it for a week. But I guess Ill try the Minolta and will have a week to take it back as well.

If someone can offer me though some more, extensive, advice, Im all ears....Ryan
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:59 am

Actually, the Sony's write time really isn't that bad. Also, I've heard that the F717 has absolutely NO shutter lag, just like a DSLR, which is really nice. The 7Hi has considerable shutter lag, I believe. Also, write time has been improved on the F717, and there is now USB 2.0 support in the camera, so pictures will transfer to the computer faster.

Go for the F717 if you want to, but deep down it's just a quicker F707 with a few bells and whistles - same lens, same sensor... But IMO, I would not buy the 7Hi.

I'll point out a few areas that the Sony F707 outperforms the 7Hi, and the F717 is even better.

1) Sony has a 3 megapixel mode, very nice if you don't need all 5 megapixels (I use it often) 7Hi has only a 5mp, then 2mp mode.

2) Sony macro focus range - 2cm. 7Hi - 13cm. You can get closer with the Sony.

3) Sony has a faster lens - f/2-2.4 - f/8. 7Hi is only f/2.8-3.5 - f/8. What this means is the Sony's aperture can open up wider, letting more light in, which means you can take low light pictures without having a long shutter speed.

4) Sony has Hologram autofocus (laser focusing), so you can get perfectly-focused pictures in pure darkness.

5) Sony has a Nightframing mode, an infrared mode that lets you compose a picture in pure darkness.

6) Sony has a Nightshot mode, which lets you take infrared pictures (in pure darkness)

7) 7Hi movie clips are limited to 60 seconds each.

8) Sony uses a small, "Infolithium" battery. 7Hi uses 4 NiMH AA batteries - pretty inconvenient.

9) 7Hi is bigger, bulkier than the Sony.

I won't be completely biased here, and tell you the 7Hi's stronger points.

1) F707 fastest shutter: 1/1000. 7Hi - 1/2000. But, F717 is also 1/2000.

2) F707 - no histogram. 7Hi - Live histogram. But, F717 has a live histogram. too.

3) F707/F717 zoom range - 38-190mm. 7Hi - 28-200mm. Extra 10mm on each end, not drastic.

4) F707 max ISO - 400. 7Hi - 800. But F717 max ISO - 800 too.

5) F707 doesn't have a hot shoe - 7Hi does. But F717 does too.

So there you have it, both sides of the story. Besides all that, the image quality from the Sonys is said to be the best in its class, and I have to agree.

If you want to do some more comparing here are the links:

Specs page:

F707: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf707/page2.asp
F717: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf717/page2.asp
7Hi: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?cameras=minolta_dimage7hi&method=sidebyside

Review by Phil Askey:

F707: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf707/
F717: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf717/
7Hi: Review hasn't been written yet.

Be sure to read the reviews. They give a ton of information about each camera, written by a professional, Phil Askey, and he let's you know his opinion of each camera as well.

Whew, that took a long time to type up. If you have any more questions, you can email me at shawnb777@adelphia.net

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:29 pm

The "Lazerz" on the F707 are really cool  Smokin cool
 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:43 am

I'm looking into the F717, but can't find the B300 teleconvertor, where can I find it?

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Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:09 am

try Ebay, search under B-300 or b300. They go for around $200 US.
 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:22 am

I'm a D7I user since a few weeks now and im very satisfied with it, i have try the collpix 5700 and the F707 before i chose the D7I.

The Main Reason for me to chosse the D7I was the SLR felling i got from i Use Analog Minolta SLR before and so it was not a big step to the D7I.

here is my View of Swans comparison of the D7 and the Sonys

<<(1) Sony has a 3 megapixel mode, very nice if you don't need all 5 <
I always use the full 5mp and dont see a reason to cut back to a lower resolution
(If you have a Good Reason to do so pleaes tell me in always happ to learn new things)

<<<2) Sony macro focus range - 2cm. 7Hi - 13cm. You can get closer with <<
I never get soooo Close to a Aircraft  Wink/being sarcastic


<<<3) Sony has a faster lens - f/2-2.4 - f/8. 7Hi is only f/2.8-3.5 - f/8. What <<
A Plus for the Sony but also never had Problems in lower light conditions so far

<<<4) Sony has Hologram autofocus (laser focusing), so you can get <<
Yes the AF of the Sony in the dark is great

<<<5) Sony has a Nightframing mode, an infrared mode that lets you compose <<<<<6) Sony has a Nightshot mode, which lets you take infrared pictures (in <<
I Dont miss it

<<<8) Sony uses a small, "Infolithium" battery. 7Hi uses 4 NiMH AA batteries - <<
But cheap i use 5 Set of 4 NiMH AA batteries (Ansmann 1800) and can took around 60-70 Pictures with each set with my Camera settings enough to bring me over a Sunny Weekend at AMS


<<<9) 7Hi is bigger, bulkier than the Sony.

Yes !!! and its great you have someting in your hand !!

The Manual Zoom of the D7I its Great but has the F717 not also a Manuel zoom now ?? looks like Sony copy a few things of the D7I on the 717

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:43 am

"I always use the full 5mp and dont see a reason to cut back to a lower resolution
(If you have a Good Reason to do so pleaes tell me in always happ to learn new things)"

Ill give you 2 good reasons.

1. It takes up less space and at 2048 pixels its virtually the same.

2. No one needs a 2560 pixel image when your taking a quick photo of your girlfriend or dog.

" never get soooo Close to a Aircraft "

Most people on here use their cameras not solely for aircraft

"A Plus for the Sony but also never had Problems in lower light conditions so far, Yes the AF of the Sony in the dark is great
"

Uhhh huh what about night shots? Nothing beats Sony Lazerz  Smokin cool

"I Dont miss it"

How do you miss something uve never had?

"But cheap i use 5 Set of 4 NiMH AA batteries (Ansmann 1800) and can took around 60-70 Pictures with each set with my Camera settings enough to bring me over a Sunny Weekend at AMS "

Thats pretty crappy. With Sony you get the battery with the camera. A charger runs only $90 and it works with other stuff like videocameras and such. Considering you pay NOTHING extra for the battery and charge cable i dont see how its cheaper. My battery is good on the LCD for 2.5 hrs." 60-70 photos? Uhhhh with the Sony when i go to ORD for 6-8 hours i easily take 300-400 photos using up maybe 45-1hr of my battery time.

"<<<9) 7Hi is bigger, bulkier than the Sony.

Yes !!! and its great you have someting in your hand !! "

Uhhh thats pretty irrelevant. By your thinking a computer from 1969 that took up the whole room is better than the Dell desktop and laptop i have sitting here.

"The Manual Zoom of the D7I its Great but has the F717 not also a Manuel zoom now ?? looks like Sony copy a few things of the D7I on the 717"

Ive never had any problems with autofocus.... and there is a manual focus on the F707.



 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Fri Oct 11, 2002 4:16 pm

Argh!

I cannot decide between these two. Two was looking at the Minolta DiMAGE 7Hi with a 2x and 3x teleconverter. I simply cannot tell what to do.

I am thinking of trying the DiMAGE out, but part of me wants to go with the Sony 717 with a 2x teleconverter.

I know sony just came out with their own teleconverter, but what can you guys tell me about the Kenko VC200HI teleconveter????

Help!
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 12:44 am

I personally will order a F707 within a few weeks. I'm still deciding which 2x converter to get, the B300 on ebay or the Sony converter.
 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 2:20 am

Steve the B-300 and the Sony converter are both 1.7X.

I will be getting the Sony one since i can get it easily here in Chicago.
 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 3:10 am

What is the model of the Sony 1.7X teleconverter? I`m planning to get one.

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 10:48 am

Copa737,

It's the VCL-HGD1758, link here: http://www.imagestation.com/shop/product/sony/?prodID=10433

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sat Oct 12, 2002 10:48 am

Also, here's a good discussion about the new teleconverter: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=3549265
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2002 11:04 am

Shawn,

Thanks a lot!

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 10:37 am

Here's a Sony 2x teleconverter:

http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?itemid=39121&hierc=9682x7078x9039&catid=

Anyone know if this is good?

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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 1:17 pm

nevermind that teleconverter i posted about its for a camcorder.......sorry!
 
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RE: Minolta Dimage 7i Or Sony DSC-f707?

Sun Oct 13, 2002 9:40 pm

Got my F707 that I bought from a woman in Texas for a good price
and it was delivered to me here in Brisbane on the 7th Oct, had never
seen one of these cameras in the flesh and just went with what people on this
forum were saying about it, my previous camera was a 20yr old Canon
point and shoot which has taken about 12 rolls of shots over the 20yrs.

Read the Sony manual and tested what happened as I went, went out
to Brisbane airport on the 9th took about 40 shots came home and went
through them with Elements 2 (still learning to use it) and screened and
deleted all but 6 which I uploaded here, 5 were rejected but 1 was accepted,
over the moon does not describe how this 60yr old would be photographer
is feeling right now, and can only improve as I learn more about this digital
game (even learnt today that I did not take a white balance with the
pictures I took at the airport.) The point of this post is if I on a first attempt
with the F707 with no experience whatsoever can get a photo on A.Net you
would be hard pressed going wrong with the 717/707.

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