Karlok
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Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 7:31 pm

To screeners:

Why are these accepted, I thought that the quality to get pictures accepted are really high.

I can clearly see the white border and Jpeg compression.


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manzoori
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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:18 pm

Sour grapes perhaps?

:D

Why not just be happy for him?

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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:45 pm

Hey putz..... Angrywhats it to you ? You got a problem with these pics ? Then take it privately to the screeners or Johan. Don't drag some else's effort through the mud. Angry

You gotta luv these know-it-all newbies! Nuts Personally I would still like to see this forum restriced to contributing shooters only!

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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:55 pm

Wassamatta. Afraid that someone with an obvious defect is better than yours  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Obviously an error, it all works itself out in the end. We'll ensure that the next Instant Priority add has a wrong box ticked. And yes I have done that before  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Didn't see anyone complain then. well except the person who then didn't get his photo online  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
Karlok
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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:13 pm

Ofcourse... I'm happy for him and glad to see a picture that doesn't exists in the database.

The picture itself is pretty good, but for the photographer it's very easy to crop the white border out.
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:19 pm

Oh no! Disaster! There's a photo with a border in the database.

The world is going to stop rotating! People are going to fall off the side of the planet! No one will be able to take pictures of airplanes again! airliners.net as we know it is going to implode into its own contradictory standards!

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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 9:57 pm

I probably shouldn't write this, but since we're talking about these pics anyway:

Compare some of Bo's recent attemts from his thread yesterday to some of these shots above. Explain to me again why Bo's got rejected?





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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:23 pm

Firstly, I'm pleased Jurgen has had his pictures added to the database and I wish him well with his next uploads.

Now, assuming for just one moment that pictures with borders are not generally accepted, what percentage of errors should the screeners be allowed to make in a month??? Is 10% errors acceptable, is 1% reasonable???

In the last 30 days, 34925 photo screenings have taken place. 10% errors would mean 3492 pictures on the database that shouldn't have been. 1% errors would mean 349 pictures on the database that shouldn't have been. Three photographs represents 0.01% errors, IF indeed the three pictures referred to here do represent errors.

I suggest people here STFU unless they think they can do better.

Andy
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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:26 pm

I'm not to sure about the first two. I don't know how rare they are in the database (d/b isn't working for me), but the photographer said himself that there are alot of them about, and tbh I think they are a little soft and i've seen better rejected.

Doesn't really make sense, we all make mistakes but sometimes i wonder how?
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Sun Sep 22, 2002 10:33 pm

Dan,

It doesn't do to criticise too loudly when you yourself have got pictures in the queue - strange things might happen! Big grin Big grin

Andy
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:34 am

Ok, ok, sorry guys for adding those pics! It was my fault. Trying to cope with the queue and going through hundreds of pics, as somebody said, errors may happen.

I don't know how it comes that I didn't see the borders on the thumbnail or on the big image, but...it just happened.

Speaking about this big inconsistency thing: As long we are doing this for fun, taking time from our spare hours and going through up to 8000 pics a week, I think at least people should concentrate on moaning on there own pics rejected and avoid claiming on shots from others being in the database. As long as we are about 14 screeners and human beings, I think that there are and will be some different points of view even if we try to be as consistent as possible, errors may happen.

Again, I want to apologise to all of those who might be offended for adding those badborder pics.

Have a nice week!

Marlo
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:47 am

Andy - its lucky that my last photos in the que just got accepted  Laugh out loud.

Marlo - no problem, it happens to everyone!

Dan (still making no sense).
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:54 am

Well, considering my friend just had a photo rejected for having a white border around it WHEN IT DIDN'T, I'd say this type of acceptance isn't a step in the right direction.

It is good to know however, that the standards are being lowered from the next to impossible to attain level they were at.
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:30 am

one word:

PolishAir42


nuff said


ta
 
manzoori
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:42 am

Ok 704tangoalpha, you lost me there. Just had a look at PolishAir42's shots and they look ok to me....

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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:36 am

Seems to me that petty sniping detracts from the professionalism of the site. I"m asking the moderators to delete the whole thread. Threads such as this should not only be deleted, but the posters should be as well.

This forum is to DISCUSS photographs, not to bag out the screeners. Additionally, it's highly OFFENSIVE to the photographer who's pictures have been targetted.

It seems to me that these type of threads are childish and silly and simply have no place here.



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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:44 am

Congratulations to the guy, just you remember when you had your first pics added .... i bet you were chuffed to bits, i bet this guy is too ... don't spoil his hard work  Sad
Well done Jurgen
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 7:48 am

I won't comment on the original subject of this thread other than: Well done Jurgen!  Big thumbs up

Now that thats been said..
704tangoalpha: Can you please let us know what you meant about PolishAir42's pics? I'm just wondering if it involved the awful F707 left side darkening problem or if its something else Big grin. LOT, are you listening? Send in your camera now to Sony!  Big grin  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

...Serge
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 8:07 am

I think he means about the angle...
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:01 am

Poor Roley, he's not that bad a guy either  Laugh out loud
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:04 am

Camera is going to be shipped to Pennsylvania tomorrow guys.

704: Its not my fault those bozos at Sony messed up  Sad)
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:02 pm

No. Not congratulations. Those pix shouldn't have been accepted. I mean really...

You guys wonder why there are so many complaints.
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:17 pm

And a lot of them appear to have the name B-OTCH at the beginning of them.

Curious why you call your self Botch but complain when others do.
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:21 pm

As we say where i am coming from
Errors can only happen where work is done
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RE: Why Accepted?

Mon Sep 23, 2002 4:59 pm

Well, considering my friend just had a photo rejected for having a white border around it WHEN IT DIDN'T, I'd say this type of acceptance isn't a step in the right direction.

It is good to know however, that the standards are being lowered from the next to impossible to attain level they were at.


And it is again B-OTCH who can't stop complaining  Insane  Insane

You really can't see that a picture of another one is accepted, isn't it B-OTCH?

You still remember the AZ topic that you started? Now you are again pissing off the screeners...

Two sorts of people are looking through the accepted pictures everyday, 99% is like me and other aviation fans who like the pictures here, and who want to see the new shots, and than there is 1% left of people like you, who are browsing through the newly accepted pictures, not to admire them, but to complaint about the shots that should not have been added, to start topics about those shots,...

Get a life dude, don't forget that aviation is still a hobby...

@Peter:
Errors can only happen where work is done

I couldn't have said it better! Big grin

Regards,
Frederic


 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:51 am

704tangoalpha: Can you please let us know what you meant about PolishAir42's pics? I'm just wondering if it involved the awful F707 left side darkening problem or if its something else

I'm not bashing his pics, but the pics that are the original topic of this post remind me alot of his. I dont think anyone cares about the dark left side of the photos, it's the simple fact that 93% of them are shot from rear-3/4 and i swear they're taken on the cloudiest possible days.

but I dont blame him, he's a good kid, what's he supposed to think when they all get accepted? why should he improve or be motivated to learn? why bother shooting on sunny days when you can shoot on cloudy days and click the shutter with your big toe and still get things accepted?

I think people should put more bearing on "average hits per photo" than simple quanity. If you have a digital camera and cant even hit the 300-500 mark, something probably needs tweaked.

Yes, I am a jerk, but I tell it how it is and i know there are alot of people that agree with me but are far too afraid to say it in here.

Thanks for your time,

TA
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 4:55 am

Well, I hate to answer a question with a question, but why bother having rules and standards when you guys aren't gonna follow them? I mean really! Those pics make this site look bad. They are clearly not a.net material and yet here you are congratulating him! One mistake I can understand, but you guys took 3 pics like that from him. Is he friends w/ one (or more) of the screeners?

Frankly, I'm getting tired of people complaining about us complaining. Maybe if you guys would be a little more consistent, you wouldn't have these posts. I understand its next to impossible to have 100% consistency when there are 12 or so screeners, but in this case it should be obvious.

I know you guys aren't perfect, and I dont expect you to be. But you droped the ball on this. Just admit it and lets move on.

Glenn, you don't like it cause you know I'm right. About this and that post in the non av forum.
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:18 am

 Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry
@ B-*TCH
I bet you do everything perfect and never do mistakes am I right?
You seem to be that concentrated on beating the screeners that you dont even read the post above. Why?
Well you wrote:
Just admit it and lets move on.
A few posts above Marlo wrote:
.. Again, I want to apologise to all of those who might be offended for adding those badborder pics ....

So what the .... do you want to hear. May be "Dear Mr. B-OTCH we are so sorry that we hurt your eyes with those 3 pictures and swear that it will never happen again" signed and 3 copies for your files, so that you can sue us if it should happen again?

Peter
 Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry  Angry
(Could someone lock this thread so that we can really move on)
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:21 am

B-OTCH,

I've just reviewed your past contributions the photo forum... Pretty much all of them are negative in one way or another. I actually wonder whether you're really just a control freak - most of your criticisms have been related to the way the site is run, and the way the screening is done... Care to take over from us all???  Nuts

Andy
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:42 am

Peter...You really need to take a chill pill buddy. Is this really such a big thing in your life that you get that pissed? If things like this aren't discussed, they improvements can't be made...Let's try and keep it civil.

I read Marlo's post, and I have to say I totally respect him for doing the right thing. This was more directed to those of you who have that "I'm a screener, how dare you question me" attitude (pretty much just you).

Now, did you read MY post where I said: "I know you guys aren't perfect, and I don't expect you to be."

Believe me...I appreciate the work you guys do. You are photographers, just like the rest of us. You have to go out to airports, buy film (or memory cards), and even scan in some cases. I can't think of anyone more qualified to screen pictures...

Now, can we all take a deep breath and hope for a better tomorrow?  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:03 am

TA - I think what you're saying amounts to "raise the standards". I will not refer to any photographer in particular, but there are many shots (including by the big guns) which are, shall we say, uninspired. But they meet minimum standards, so are rightly accepted. Call them stock shots - they serve a purpose. Also a review of the most popular thousand or so pics soon reveals that photographic quality is not the sole criteria for popularity. (Anything vaguely recognisable as a UAL 747 is sure to rack up a suprising number of hits!).

People visit the site for many reasons, not only to see good photographs - perhaps, for instance, to see ANY pic of the plane they last flew.

I suspect if we raised the bar any higher, screeners would have to abandon photography lest they be lynched at their local airport  Smile

Cheers,

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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:09 am

TA - I think what you're saying amounts to "raise the standards".

No, not really... interesting thought but I think perhaps what I am suggesting is not to "raise" the standards, but rather to change or at least re-think them. The reason I say this is because, as mentioned in my last posts by the name and personification of a perfect example, (see above to satisfy curiosity) I see way too many pics being added that are taken from crappy angles, in crappy weather, extrememly common aircraft, extremely boring aircraft, no aircraft at all, green vans and parrallel parked RV's (it's funny if you get it, trust me), or airplane models on a stick.... but they get added with horrific regularity simply because they are taken with a digital camera and come out razor sharp (or for the most part).

I'm not a digital basher at all, dont mistake me there, but I know a good picture when I see one, and being "sharp" is NOT the most important facet that makes a good photo.

.... open for discussion...


TA
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 8:20 am

TA:

I agree with you that there are a lot of people that agree with you that don't want to say it on this forum.  Innocent

...Serge
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 10:24 am

704: WTF is wrong with the parallel parked RV comment? I dont give a rip what you put in your photos.
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 10:33 am

Ai the F707 went to Pennsylvania to Sony. Let them worry about it. I had to battle out with the customer support for a good month to convince them it was a manufactured defect
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 3:50 pm

TA - big problem with changing the standards, especially to encapsulate something about aesthetics like I think you're suggesting, is that screening will become more of a lottery. If people think we have problems standardising appraisal of pictures at the moment, that'd be nothing compared to what would happen if we really started to take serious consideration of each photograph's aesthetic qualities as each screener would be likely to have a significantly different feel for a picture.

Andy
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 6:56 pm

B-ITCH err... B-OTCH,

may we see your pictures in the database please?

You are insulting AND the work of the screeners AND the work of the photographers!!!!

If those pictures hurt your eyes that much, may we see your work please???? I really want to see your great and fantastic pictures that will certainly not hurt our eyes  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

Like I already told you, 99% of the users here browse through the newly accepted pictures to admire them, and than you have the 1% of people browsing through the pictures to start topics about them (why they are accepted and yours not,...)

But maybe it is better to come to a solution (so that B-OTCH and a very few others don't have to go to a doctor because there eyes are hurted): is it possible to contact the photographer with the question that he removes the white boarders and reuploads the picture?

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 7:49 pm

The term "botch" in australia means misake.. guess the guy is aptly named.

Botch, these people don't need to take a chill pill, you need to grow up and act in a more mature manner, as do a few others in this thread. The method of screening has been explained to you add nauseum and if you just can't get it then you want to consider spending a little time back at school, because it's very, very simple....

Screeners are people doing a job, if you don't like that .. go and find a site that will let you run it. I'd rather have the current screeners looking at my pictures than you armchair experts!!!





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RE: Why Accepted?

Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:05 pm

An answer with explanation has already been given for the original question and further discussion is not going to be productive and is likely to get increasingly irrelevant. I am therefore archiving this topic.
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