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How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 3:14 am

Hi Guys,

I might have the oppourtunity soon to visit a place where there are lots of planes parked that i can go on (no it's not an airport  Wink/being sarcastic a maint. base actually:P)

Chances are, that ill be using my Minolta SLR with my 50mm own, goes to about f1.7 ish i think.

I will hopefully also be using a tripod, so is it best to let the shutter do itself and choose the widest possible aperture?

I'll be using either Reala or Superia 200 - Any comments or tips at all?

Thanks

BA777
 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 3:17 am

The time I took shots in a cockpit, my first shot was too fast and I didnt catch all the CRT screens (due to frame rates). Almost like taking a shot at a television - you get those bars in the photo. Good thing I have a digicam so i could see my mistake and take another one.
This is the only realy problem i had...maybe its just me.
-Tim
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BA777
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:31 am

Res,

I would usually use a digicam, but my Dads got it, and he's on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic atm, and might not be back in time  Wink/being sarcastic http://www.challengetransat.com btw.

How do you avoid the "bars"

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:51 am

The thing that makes cockpit shots difficult is the fact that there usually isn't much light available.

What you should do is use the lowest F-stop you can (f/1.8 or whatever) so that enough light will get in to the camera. Use 1/60 shutter speed or faster, otherwise you'll get motion blur. ISO 200 film should be good enough to get a good cockpit shot.

Take a look at one of mine:


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ISO 100, f/2.2, 1/30

Good luck!

Regards
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:04 am

Shawn,

Ill have a play with the ISOs, the lowest f is actually f1.7  Big thumbs up

Is that digital, it sure looks like it  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:28 am

Yep, that's my Sony F707 digital cam. I love it!
 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:30 am

Thought so, hopefully ill have the flexability of a digi for mine, only ISO200 though, but that'll be fine.

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:39 am

Hi,

maybe another tip: set your camere to auto-flashmode when taking pics e.g. whilst landing.

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:48 am

I always hate using the in-camera flash because the light is just too harsh. If you can, put a piece of tissue or something over the flash. It will diffuse the light and make it a little softer.
 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 6:05 am

Yup you can either sync-flash or just take a slow exposure and play steady hand game or get a tripod..
 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 6:36 am

Yeah, ill def. be using a tripod, no doubt about it.

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 9:48 am

If I was flying I wouldn't want someone behind me with a flash taking photos on short finals!!
 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:16 pm

Yes,

forgot to say I set my autoflash to low.

If I was flying I wouldn't want someone behind me with a flash taking photos on short finals!!

If you ask, they don't mind.

greetings,

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 5:28 pm

1 - be wary of using the lens wide open .. depth of field will be very small - too much may be out of focus - go for a longer shutter speed instead.

2 - you could well be working with a contrast range beyond the ability of film/sensor to capture correctly (bright outside the windows, dark inside) - be careful your exposure settings are not over influenced by the light outside. If in doubt, bracket your exposures.

3 - Flash - problematic these days as it tends to reflect off the CRT screens which doesn't look pretty. If you have the capability, bouncing the light off the cockpit roof can help

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Sun Oct 06, 2002 11:55 pm

1 - be wary of using the lens wide open .. depth of field will be very small - too much may be out of focus - go for a longer shutter speed instead.

Also note that the shorter the focal length, the larger the DOF. You could probably get away with f/1.7 if you have, say a 17mm or 28mm lens.

Shawn
 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Mon Oct 07, 2002 2:07 am

It's a 50mm lens, so.....

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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Mon Oct 07, 2002 3:37 am

Yes, light may be our biggest problem. Here's one shot without a tripod.


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If I was flying I wouldn't want someone behind me with a flash taking photos on short finals!!

I asked the pilot and he said: "Oh yes, please!"  Big thumbs up Depends on the crew.


 
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RE: How To Acheve Good Cockpit Shots

Mon Oct 07, 2002 3:49 am

Given the relatively tight confines of a cockpit, a 50mm will not be wide enough if you intend on shots like this:

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In general, I find a 17-35 zoom much more useful for cockpit shots. With the 50, you may be limited to shooting clusters of instruments only.

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