Sabena 690
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Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:01 pm

Hi guys,

I would appreciate some info how to improve those pictures:

http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=9G-MKJd.jpg : badscan
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=G-VFAB_B747-4Q8.jpg : badjagged - badcommon
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=SE-DMFd.jpg : badexposure
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=BA_B744_CR.jpg : badjagged
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=NZ_B744.jpg : badscan
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=N662UA.jpg : badscan - badexposure
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=G-VSHYb.jpg : badblurry

I really don't know what to do to improve them.

For your info: I use psp 7 to work on my pictures, and the Olympus C2100 UZ is my camera.

For the action shots, I used ISO100, and diafragma 7.0 settings.

Regards, and thanks a lot,
Frederic
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:10 pm

1.) Apparently you tried to brighten up the background, resulting in a dark border around the fuselage. The light was also not really good for this pic.
2.) Sun on the wrong side of the fuselage. Oversharpened (look at the titles).
3.) Overexposed fuselage (it's almost white)
4.) Sun on the wrong side of the fuselage, lack of contrast and oversharpened (look for example the upper part of the fuselage)
5.) In my opinion the best shot and the only one with chances of improvement. But there are strong jaggies on the upper part of the fuselage abut at the same time I think the rest of the fuselage (for example the windows) are a bit soft. And again: the sun is on the wrong side. The pic lacks of contrast.
6.) Completely underexposed. And again: the sun is on the wrong side.
7.) The sun again. I think you tried to sharpen up a blurry image, resulting in oversharpened edges and blurrynes around some details.

I don't see much chances for those pics, sorry.

Gerardo
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:11 pm

1. Maybe you oversharpened a bit over here? But the fact that it's such an unusual visitor to BRU should compensate for this I think.
2. Badcommon: nothing you can do about it. Badjagged--> I don't see jaggies. Nice shot by the way!
3. The sun just hit this bird when you took the shot (let me guess which camera Big grin ), so it tends to overexpose the fuselage...Too bad  Sad
4. No idea.
5. No idea. Looks good to me!
6. Looks a bit too dark, but this is just caused by the UA livery. And the fuselage shows a rather high amount of grain.
7. No idea. The only thing is, like an MD-80 or so, this aircraft also looks rather like a cigar, which leads to much clutter underneath and above the aircraft. But apart from that, it looks neat!

Can't wait to go to LHR. Now let's cross our fingers and hope for some good weather, shall we?

The only thing is: don't get depressed when your best picture gets rejected. I also think from time to time 'yeah, this one's definitely going to make it, the other one isn't, but let's upload it as well'. And, guess which one gets accepted? Right, the second one, the first one gets rejected...So I wouldn't bother that much. You have those great pictures for your own little database, and I think that's more than enough. If you think they are great (as will most others, like me), that should be more than enough...

On the other hand, too bad they won't make it to this great database, unless you can improve them.
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:18 pm

Oops! Forgot to mention something about Nr. 4. (BA B744)

Try to crop more on the left part. Otherwise this shot could also have a tinly little chance. But the lighting makes it hard to get a decent pic.

Gerardo
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:27 pm

Almost all of these are what our editor in chief would call "low quality digital images"... To put it simply, there's a lot of noise in these images, especially in the darker areas. The only picture where it isn't evident is the Scando MD-90, which I am actually surprised was taken with the same camera - that pic stands out a mile as being better in overall quality.

I don't know the camera so I have no idea whether this is a general problem with images produced by this model, but if these were scans (I know they're not) I would see the noise as typical symptoms of underexposed pictures that that had been pushed to acceptable levels far too agressively post-scan. So, are you using the very best quality setting on the camera, no compression when saving in photoshop I hope, and you're using levels and curves to tidy up the look of the image rather than brightness, aren't you???

Andy
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:04 pm

Skymonster:

The SAS MD90 picture wasn't taken with the same camera. As a matter of fact, it was taken with my new D60. I met Frederic that day at BRU, and I said he could try and take some pictures with a D60. Hope this explains a lot...

Ivan
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:07 pm

YEP, that was also written in the caption of the SAS pic.

Gerardo
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:21 am

Hi guys,

Thanks a lot for your replies.

Sad thing about the quality, I like the shots in general.

@Andy:
You have a sharp eye! Big grin I forgot to mention it of the SAS picture, indeed taken with a D60.

It's not easy for a starting photographer to get your pictures accepted  Sad

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:23 am

All of these photos, except the MD90, are overly sharpened. Not sure if it is the camera or the post processing in your photo editor. Way too many jaggies.

Chris
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Fri Oct 18, 2002 11:15 am

Hello,
I am also using a C-2100UZ camera and i'm pretty happy with it but I definately notice that the photos are quite grainy in darker areas and on the shady side of the planes.

Scott
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Fri Oct 18, 2002 12:05 pm

Frederic,

Nice shots. I use the same camera. This camera has limitations. Frederic, your composition is excellent in the photos you have listed above but the 2100 is not doing you justice. I think you should upgrade to a better camera - one that will keep up with your eye... I would like to purchase a better camera , but the time is not now - too many expenses !!

Other than that - GREAT SHOTS !!

 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Fri Oct 18, 2002 4:17 pm

Thanks again for the valuable comments guys, they are much appreciated!

@Planeboy:
Thanks a lot for the nice comments! I certainly want to upgrade, my feelings say yes, but my bank account says no  Sad  Sad  Sad

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:17 pm

Sabena 690:

I wouldn't give up. Since you got your new camera, more than 6 months ago I think, you have proven yourself that you are capable of doing some great shots, and getting them accepted on Airliners.net. So I think your still capable of producing some nice incredible shots with your camera.

Have you already tried improving your shots with the levels, curves, saturation etc etc? I just discovered the 'levels' function, and it is awesome. I already regret the fact that I didn't wait 2 more days to upload my AA 767 shot  Sad I have it over here on my desktop, and it has much more colors (saturation), and has better overall lighting due to the levels function. Curves are even better.

Just try to experiment a little with your pictures 'out of the camera', and maybe you can turn them into something even nicer, and something the screeners over here won't reject?

Ivan

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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:58 am

Hello,
I am not familiar with the levels and curves adjustments.Can someone please explain to me how to do this?

Thanks
Scott
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:27 am

Frederic,

Don't give up!
I also uses a C2100UZ...
Ok, its "only" a 2MP but that makes it more challenging to get pics on A.net!!

Keep going...!
 Big thumbs up

Daniel
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Sun Oct 20, 2002 12:12 am

Frederic, I think it is always helpful to list the reason for the rejection.
 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Sun Oct 20, 2002 3:22 am

Hi Frederic,

On your latest shots:

- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=4R-ADC.jpg
Blurry/unsharp - check the reg, tail and nose titles - more unsharpmask

- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=9A-CTJ.jpg
- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=S2-ACQb.jpg
Both slightly blurry/soft - Front half of the Croatia seems softer than the tail area.

- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=N701GC.jpg
This is close to being ok I think - possibly too sharp?

- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=bus-744.jpg
I guess this is an esthetic rejection?

- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=EC-HHU.jpg
Nice shot, but I would have liked to see the whole tail too - so I'd say 'Bad angle'  Wink/being sarcastic

- http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=RG_B777.jpg
On first impression looks sharp, but then the reg is fuzzy - possibly oversharp?

They don't look far off in general - just need some tweaking I think - possibly some more unsharp mask for the first few, and less the the last 2.

Good luck
Paul

 
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RE: Rejections - Advice Needed Please

Sun Oct 20, 2002 4:24 am

Hi guys,

@clickhappy:
sorry, forgot to add them.

Rejection reasons for the ones in my last post:
1) badcommon
2) badsoft - badcommon
3) badsoft - badcommon
4) badscan
5) badmotiv - badpeople
6) badmotiv
7) badcommon

So 4 times badcommon!!!

@PRM:
Thanks for the advice!

Regards,
Frederic

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