donder10
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Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Sat Oct 26, 2002 8:32 pm

For example El Al were using a 738 leased from North American Airlines.If you were to upload a pic of this plane under lease to LY,which is the correct company to put down as 'airline'?
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crewchief32
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:10 pm

I would use the visible airline name, in this case EL AL, you can add something
about NAA in the "remark" field later on.....
And there is also the "hybrid colorscheme" -selection at the upload page...


Another question would be if it is necessary to add "operating for XXX" in the remark field when, for example, a Burlington Air Express DC-8 flies for Emery Worldwide but does not even carry the smallest EWW sticker somewhere....


CC32
 
Skymonster
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:48 pm

Donder10 - upload with the airline name that appears on the airplane, which in the case you mentioned is El Al. If you want to add a comment about NAA that's up to you. As CC32 says, use the hybrid colours checkbox too.

On a related subject, there was an Excel Airways 767 appeared on the database this morning with the airline name set to Air Atlanta Icelandic - to be honest, that's the wrong way of doing it.

CC32, if it says Burlington, upload it as Burlington. Again, if you choose to put a comment that its operated by EWW, that's up to you.

We have to use the name on the side of the plane - if we were to go any other way, we'd end up with thousands of pictures in the database showing as "International Lease Finance Corporation" or "First Security Bank of Utah"...

Andy
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RayPettit
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:35 pm

OK Andy and fellow crewies

I've been toying with the idea of uploading TriStar N305EA from the 1972 Farnborough show. Its hardly top quality, but if I put it up (and gets through) I'm wondering how to treat it

It has an Eastern cheatline, with a large BEA logo below this on the forward fuselage. The fin and rudder is completely BEA, but 'unfortunately' it has Lockheed Tristar where Eastern would have been written on the fuselage.

I guess you are going to tell me to put down Lockheed but with hybrid colours.

On a related subject, I see my BAe Systems F-4G from Mojave got through as 'private' even though it was in full US military marks and it doesn't have a N-reg. I was probably a bit inconsistent here in that my Royal Navy Dauphin (operated by a civilian contractor) I just put as Royal Navy with a note in the remarks. I probably got that one right and the Phantom not so right.

What do the screeners think?

Ray
 
donder10
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Sun Oct 27, 2002 12:34 am

Cheers for clarification Andy.The ILFC comment was pretty amusing Smile
 
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:20 am

Now for the big one, TC-OAB. A300-600R from Onur Air.
Leased out to Kyrgyz airlines, but leased back TO Onur by Kyrgyz. Operates in Kyrgyz colours with Onur stickers behind the door on Onur flights.

Is this Onur or Kyrgyz  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

There are probably more examples like this that may be even weirder  Big thumbs up
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aviasian
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:54 pm

The various stickers and titles notwithstanding, I personally would record it according to the airline operating the flight at the time the picture was taken.

Further explanations could of course be made in the remarks column.

KC Sim
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EGLM
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RE: Leased Planes-which Airline To Record It As?

Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:55 am

Guys,

This has solved a problem for me - it was my Excel 767 that Andy refers to. Typical - a 50/50 chance to get it right and what did I do? Embarrassment

Thanks for the heads up on that one Andy - and a correction will be on it's way very shortly.

Now I think I'll find a dark corner and hum softly to myself... Big grin

Richard

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