timdegroot
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50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:09 am

For a while now I've been thinking about getting a 50mm prime for my EOS33.
I currently own the Canon 28-105, and next year this will be upgraded to the 28-70L. I'm a slidetrader so quality at 50mm is very important to me.

The Canon 50mm f1.8 is very cheap, and I'm sure it would offer better image quality than my current 28-105 at 50mm.....
But will it also outperform the 28-70L at 50mm? (or should I buy the more expensive 50mmf1.4 for that?)
If it doesn't offer better image quality than the 28-70L I'm not gonna spend the money now(although not that much), and will rather use it to buy the 28-70L sooner, and will then later buy the 50mm f1.4 to complement it.


Thanks for any help.
Tim
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:21 am

Tim, I asked a similar question earlier. Sometimes when you are shooting, you might need 60mm, and without those few mm you might get bummed out. And with todays quality standards, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 50mm shot with a 50mm lense and a 50mm shot with a 28-70mm lense.

Joe's the guys to listen to.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:23 am

Tim I have the 28-70L and the 50mm 1.4 -I use the 50mm very very infrequently, if i had to do it over again i wouldnt have bought it- its the best value for your money given its F1.4 diameter but if you dont use it much, its value is diminished greatly. Shooting ramp with it is very restricting unless you have a TMA Cargo A310 just sitting there and you have all the time in the world to crush it- but still, the 28-70 will take care of that job. I'm probably gonna put my 50mm on ebay- I dont even keep it in my camera bag anymore

see you later this week
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:30 am

The 50mm 1.8 is superb quality, sharp as a tack edge to edge. According to some it is actually sharper than the 1.4, though the 1.4 has better build quality and possibly slightly better contrast. At its price the 1.8 has to be a real bargain. The 28-70mm is a fine lens, but I've yet to come across a zoom that can match a prime in absolute quality terms - you should also consider that the 50mm 1.8 is a very compact light weight lens, and with the extra bit of speed over the zoom would be ideal for poor light conditions.

All in all at the price I think its a nobrainer - even if not frequently used, its a handy assett to have in the bag for the occasions when nothing else will do.

Cheers.

Colin
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:31 am

Thank D,
Joe, with you being the 50mm expert your advice is golden. If you're not even using it that much I certainly wouldn't use it a lot either.
Especially with the 28-70 next year it indeed seems a bit like a waste, although I would get superior quality to my 28-105 for a while, probably not worth it spending the cash now. I'll be patient and save up my money for the zoom.

Weather for FRA doesn't look good so better leave the 60 at home.
-Tim
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:32 am

Colin, your agruments are exactly why I'm still debating it.....

Tough decision to make despite the low price.

Tim
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:41 am

Personally I feel the prime being better than zoom aspect really not worth it in real life situtations. I doubt you could pickup two slides, one taken with a 28-70/f2.8L and another with the 50/1.4 or 1.8 and tell the difference. Sure, in a lab with a 1,000 x mag maybe. But even with the best available consumer loupes out there it'd be very very difficult. Save the $$ on the 50 and but some Kodachrome.

Michael
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:44 am

Tim,
i was packing your and K's toys (not that type relax you guys out there) and you can forget the D60 on this trip, i hope i can fit Konstantin's gemini jet at this point its so damn tight.

another thing about the 50mm- on a dslr it becomes even more usless for me- its an 80mm- who the hell needs an 80mm for airliner shots. Tim if you end up wanting the 50 1.4 i'll sell you mine, i really have such little use for it- would be nice if it was a 20mm F1.4 then you can atleast do cockpit shots with it, but at 50mm you cant even do that. Nice lens, great value- but for the most part- useless i've learned (im sure others may find alot of uses for it, personally i dont). You want a sweetheart lens? 15mm F2.8 -i got that badboy a few mos. ago- you can do some wild and wacky s...t with that thing, even with a dslr on her.

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:55 am

Ok with Mike also not a fan of the 50mm primes......chances of me buying the 50 are decreasing. Can buy 15 rolls of K64 for the price of the 50.
Joe, would love to compare 2 slides at FRA, two similar type shots of yours, one taken with 50 1.4 and one with 28-70 (if you still remember what you used). If I don't see any difference.....forget it.
I think I checked out the 15mm at AMS last summer, when we were inside the An-124 right?

Tim
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:00 am

Joe, if used as that kind of toy... that would hardly fit  Wink/being sarcastic

j/k

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:02 am

Tim,
i havent used the 50mm in a long time so I do not have a valid comparison and given that i'm leaving in 2 days there won't be any, but next time i'm out working i'll bring the 50mm and shoot an airplane at 50mm with the prime and zoom.
Yes, my 15mm is a real whore- you and the stinky Polet Air AN124, Konstantin in corfu- that 15mm is popular with the guys  Love -unfortunately for my nikon friends, they are shut out of her. Told them to buy Canon!  Big grin

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:19 am

We Nikon guys don't do sloppy seconds  Big grin bwhahahahaha

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:23 am

you're in the cockpit of an AN124 that smells like a mens locker room vodka body odor and curry at the same time, its either sloppy seconds or nothing at all. Who wants to be holding the Nikon and not get the super wide angle shot at all?

hmmmm

Joe

 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:25 am

You're saying Canon guys don't come prepared? Nikon guys would have all the equipment they need for the job.  Big grin  Smile

Mike

 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:29 am

I was carrying my Nikon equipment, but the pilot wouldn't allow those ugly Nikon's in his aircraft, so sloppy Canons it was Smile

Tim
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:30 am

what a bunch of shale- none of the nikon guys i know have anything under a 28mm

Does nikon offer a quality 15mm F2.8 lens or anything close to it for little over 600 bucks?

 Big grin

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:31 am

bwaaaaaaaaahahaha good one Tim.
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:40 am

That's because the Nikon guys know how to shoot a 50mm properly, not with a 15mm bwhahahahahahaha you Canon guys are always lost  Smile

AF Fisheye Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D Autofocus Lens - $764.95/599.95
Super Wide Angle AF Nikkor 14mm f2.8D ED Autofocus - $1424.95/1249.95
Super Wide Angle AF Nikkor 18mm f/2.8D Autofocus Lens - $1324.95/899.95
Super Wide Angle AF Nikkor 20mm f/2.8D Autofocus Lens - $489.95/409.95

Think that works....

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:44 am

its funny how canon always edges out nikon- canon d60 1.6x multiplier- d100, 1.5x

canon 15mm f2.8 nikon is 16mm (at this range every mm is critical).

ok enough of this, im getting tired of it and as usual this will go nowhere

 Big grin

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:45 am

I was carrying my Nikon equipment, but the pilot wouldn't allow those ugly Nikon's in his aircraft, so sloppy Canons it was

Like a pilot of an AN-124 would know any better? He's just used to poorly built machines so that's why he allowed the Cannon and not the Nikon  Big grin now joe, that's a good one  Big grin

Mike
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:46 am

and canon-plastic and nikon-metal...you're right  Big grin going nowhere

Mike
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:48 am

its funny how canon always edges out nikon- canon d60 1.6x multiplier- d100, 1.5x

Actually, true photographers dislike the magnification digitals give, that's why they are all screaming for full-frame sensors......so 1.6x is actually worse then 1.5x...hmmmm so much for that edge  Big grin
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:52 am

Mike can I get a copy of that book you have: "How to bash Canon"? Big grin
I'm now getting together the appropriate info on my own Nikonbashing book Smile

But you're right, going nowhere. off to bed now...
Tim
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:55 am

Tim, send $19.95 to:

Joe Pries Enterprises
1000 Plastic Way Suite D-30
Cheap Body, NY 10060

 Smile

Have a good night.... gets us no where but it's fun  Big grin

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:14 am

Haha, that's a good one!  Big thumbs up

This is when it's good to have a Minolta, you can openly admit it without getting all the flak!

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:50 am

Michael and Joe, you guys crack me up  Big grin

Right on, let's continue the CN debate.

Michael I am with you!

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:58 am

BTW, Canon just introduced a 24-70L to replace the 28-70L. It makes better sense if you go digital in the future.

Hisham.
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 9:25 am

Hisham,
Canon makes better sense. period. nikon makes a great scanner though- i got the coolscan4000 and have no complaints. See, im not into just canon, the manufacturer that puts out the very best gets my money- for slr's thats canon, for scanner its nikon- i have no allegiance to either one, only their top offerings. Ask Mogren, ask Colin, Konstantin, Degroot, Sheldon, Murray, they'll tell you what's right

 Big grin

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:16 pm

Joe wrote:
Ask Mogren, ask Colin, Konstantin, Degroot, Sheldon, Murray, they'll tell you what's right
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Ask Borda, ask McLaughlin, Unmuth, Marimon, Alderton, Hunt they'll tell you what's right too.  Big grin

 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:24 pm

V man- Pay no attention to Crooked-Eye-In-Flight Joe. The guy sounds like he's a bright know it all on here, but he's the very same guy who uploads shots with erroneous info on a consistent basis!! He can't tell a Conti 757-200 from a -300 and he expects us all to believe what he says??
He can go on and on about Cannon this and that.... but what is it he's using in this shot below.
That's right.... a NIKON  Big grin


Caught in the act... busted!

~Carlos

Joe wrote:
>>Ask Mogren, ask Colin, Konstantin, Degroot, Sheldon, Murray, they'll tell you what's right<<

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V Man wrote:
>>Ask Borda, ask McLaughlin, Unmuth, Marimon, Alderton, Hunt they'll tell you what's right too.<<
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:37 pm

Carlos,

never paid attention to Crooked-Eye-In-Flight Joe anyway,  Big grin but damn this is bulletproof evidence you have there!  Big grin

Btw...Chris Sheldon acc. to his website was a Nikon shooter too, before he bought the D30.

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:59 pm

NASA also uses Nikon... I guess they don't know what's good for them!

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:01 pm

Joe, you must get to know me. I have a 19-35  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Not a prime I admit, but it gets the job done  Big thumbs up

Tim, the main advantage of fast primes over quality zooms is that they can be opened up further, which allows their use in situations with extreme low light (of course at the expense of a lot of DOF).
They are also sharper (or more consistent at least) than a zoom at the same focal length, but most of the time you probably won't see that without a very strong loupe.

If I were to go for primes, I wouldn't buy a 50mm. Rather I'd go for some wideangle lenses, possibly a 20mm and a 35 (and maybe a 15). But that's just me  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
For aircraft shooting I find primes restrictive. I've missed quite a few good shots with my Minolta because the 400mm was just a bit too long (say 350 would have been ideal, with 400 the aircraft doesn't quite fit the frame).
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:06 pm

Ask Mogren, ask Colin, Konstantin, Degroot, Sheldon, Murray, they'll tell you what's right

Add me to that list: All canon slr +lenses, and a Nikon Scanner.

(allthough I hate to have a folder on my HD called Nikon  Wink/being sarcastic)

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:55 pm

Carlos don't be a baby and show us the uncropped version where you're holding a gun to his head Smile

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:06 pm

Carlos fails to mention the following:
mclaughlin, pashnin and i were at floyd bennet field after shooting approach shots at jfk (which i only brought my D60 for). Having seen a nice shot of the stratocruiser, i asked mike to borrow his fart 5 to shoot myself a roll on it- mike caught me with his digital camera so now this photo, like the josephina in COS comes up every so often but only in desperate times would I use a fart 5. I much prefer the tight feel of my 1V as opposed to the loose feeling fart 5.

 Big grin

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:51 pm

Joe,

it is ok to admit that you like to shoot with Nikon gear!

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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 12:10 am

the only thing i admit is that pressing the trigger on the fart 5 feels like driving a 76 dart 6 cylinder. Pressing the trigger on the eos 1v is like driving a lamborghini on the autobhan.

there, i admitted it V man

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:00 am

Remember what I said above, Canon guys are never prepared for the job. Joe having to use a superior Nikon F5 just goes to prove that. You would never catch me using a Canon POS-1v. I did hold it once and I must say my $350 Dimage X 2.1MP super-compact digital had more "beef" and metal than the 1v...it was sad, truly sad  Smile
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:05 am

Jan, you hear what Mike just said?
attack!!!!

Joe
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:18 am

Guys, you're sooooooooo entertaining with this "battle", please just go on and on and on...  Big grin

...Johan...
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:45 am

Your fantastic plastic POS1v is a kids toy! Kids play with plastic... men play with metal. You gotta admit that you felt like a REAL man holding that fine piece of "well endowed" Japanese engineering in your hands that day.

After all... from the shot below it does seem that you have some personal "issues".  Big grin



~Los
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:59 am

T- All you gotta do these days is just dangle food in front of Joe heads to get it done....

I also gotta say this too about that Joe Nikon F5 shot.... he looks a little more manly to me holding that instead of the rubber POS 1v.  Big grin

~Los

Tim writes:

>>Carlos don't be a baby and show us the uncropped version where you're holding a gun to his head

Tim<<
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 4:14 am

you asked for it Johan........

Hey carlos and mike, here's a nice photo taken with a nikok


 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 4:19 am

M,
I enjoy the smooth feeling of a Canon in my hands. If I was looking for something even more sturdy/heavy/rigid then I wouldn't have to go further than down my crotch ! LOL ! No need for a Nikon for that!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
/JM

Spellchecker wants to exchange Nikon with Nixon!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy That figures..
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 4:26 am

Jan, the nikok boys are right- at 10fps and 45 point af, the 1V is a toy- you colin, myself- we're a bunch of dummies for using it. we have alot to learn from these guys about shooting slides.

 Wow!
 
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Thu Oct 31, 2002 4:36 am

Yeah..

right..


/JM
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:57 am

45 point AF....you screwed up by mentioning that one. That IS a toy. By the time you scroll thru 45 points to select which point you want to use you'll be shooting an empty runway, plane will be in London already  Smile And don't even mentioned eye-select, even Canon Pro shooters laugh at that. Toys are for boys, real mean shoot Nikon.

I don't know about you Canon boyz, swapping lens, feeling crotches and playing with toys...you guys really scare me.
 
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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:43 am

Oh, and Joe...let's be honest here and show the real picture okay  Smile



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RE: 50mm Lens Questions

Thu Oct 31, 2002 8:14 am

Thatta boy Joe... always knew there was a real man inside there somewhere once you put away your pansy-ass baby toys by the name of "Canon"  Smile

Besides, when you're shooting Kodachrome for 50mm ramp shots, we're all on the same team anyway... the cold-war is over  Smile

-Rob



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