manzoori
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Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:48 am

Folks,

I've had my first rejection for BADPEOPLE recently.
http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=014_NC_f.jpg

Fair enough, I can see the faces of the two guys in the bottom left corner. You know at the time I remember thinking about taking their names and numbers, so that I could thank them for walking into my shot... ahh well! The joys of the public airshow!  Crying

Can I apply a little gentle blurring to disguise them or is that not acceptable?

Go on, it's not the greatest shot in the world and life goes on and all that but if there's anyway I can salvage the shot for inclusion then I may as well try.

Cheers!

Rez
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EGGD
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:08 am

I don't think its worthy of a badpeople rejection, however you could sharpen it up a bit.

Regards

Dan
 
thomasphoto60
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:14 am

Static displays at airshows are a real pain simply because of the 'people factor'. Indeed they can ruin a really good shot.

Had I taken the photo I would have focused more on the flight deck where the action is. Granted there is a person in the shot but the face is not fully visable, thus it may not have been rejected for the reason stated earlier and the inter-action with the plane itself would have introduced an element of interest. With this shot the composition is just a tad loose. Another possibility would have been to locate an elevated point of view and shot the scene with a wide angle lens resulting in a more dramatic panoramaic image of the ramp, static displays and spectators.

Thomas
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manzoori
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:24 am

Yeah, but I left my cherry picker in the car park! I tried to get it past the security but strangely they were having none of it!

Can't think why....

 Wink/being sarcastic Wink/being sarcastic Wink/being sarcastic

Rez
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ExitRow
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:29 am

Hey Rez.

Perhaps this thread will answer some of your questions regarding adjusting this image:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/62366/4/

I like the shot by the way. I think that's one cool paint-scheme.

W.
 
mirage
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:35 am

The worst nightmare at airshows.
 
luchtzak
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:55 am

Manzoori,

just add a text:"Permission has been granted to take this picture"  Wink/being sarcastic

greetings,

luchtzak


 
thomasphoto60
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 8:57 am

IMO, airshows are a 'pill'!

Unless you have access to the pre-show activities, namely 'press days' getting some really unforgettable images is tough to say the least. As mentioned earlier you have to fight the crowds and the occasional spectator walking into the picture just as you pressed the shutter. Most shows take place at mid-day when the light (sun) is overhead providing contrasty and uninteresting light. Some shows are more photographer friendly as the images from Farnbough clearly demostrate, however most are restrictive.

As for getting an elevated wide angle perspective shot, well a cherry picker is not always necessary. Look for anything that gets you above the crowd, ask first of course, but experience has taught me that most of the show security personal have no problems with this.

However I scarcely shoot airshows for the reasons above as well as they pose little interest to me.

Thomas
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dripstick
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:29 am

I had this one rejected for badpeople.



Ya know, what if A.net let us use a little logo to place over the faces...like a pastie on a stripper's chesticles.

What d'ya think?

Maybe ExitRow could show us an example?  Big thumbs up


Dripstick
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dripstick
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:31 am

Here is the link to the picture...

http://dripstick.tripod.com/cfcxu.jpg
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ExitRow
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:53 am

badlinking

 Big thumbs up

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dripstick
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:06 am

Guess you'll have to copy and paste the address into the address bar.

badtripod.com
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thomasphoto60
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:28 am

Actually I really like that shot Drip. Had the couple had their backs away from the camera and towards the Cessna, then it might had made the db.

This would actually might have made a nice ad pic for Cessna, a local airport, ect.....Despite the fact that it did not make the db or not it is still an eye catching and well excuted photo.

BTW, was this a pre-arranged shot?

Thomas
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manzoori
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:46 am

Thanks for all the responses folks, and the link Exitrow. The comment about the crowd of headless people made me chuckle!

I think I'll just quietly forget this one and host it on my own site!

Cheers

Rez
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jwenting
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:21 pm

Thomas, my advise re. airshows is to get there really early. Be there as close as possible to opening time (if not before) and there will be few people except staff and other photographers and those are more than likely to wait a bit so you can take your shot.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=284404
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=286125
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=287857
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=286122
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=291834

Just get there early  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Mind that these are scanned on an old crappy scanner shortly after I got it from ISO 400 negatives...

last a stitch I did from 3 frames (didn't have a wideangle back then) shot with over 100000 people around:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=268059
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Skymonster
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:01 pm

Blurring of faces is not allowed - that's digital manipulation which will get you an immediate rejection.

And if, as Luchtzak suggested, you say "permission was granted" in this case we simply wouldn't believe you  Big grin

Andy
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Thom@s
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 9:54 pm

Just tell them to clear off. (In a kind manner)

When I'm at airshows or "open days", I always find the aircraft I want to photograph, and wait for the people to clear. Works if it's not too busy anyway.

Thom@s
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dripstick
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:10 pm

Just tell them to all turn their heads and cough.

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ckw
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:46 pm

"Hey everybody, look over THERE!"

As well as staying early, sometimes well worth staying late (you're just gonna sit in traffic anyway  Smile ) Crowds are less, chance of some interesting "unofficial" airfield activity, and more interesting light.

I find the wide angle useful - by getting closer to the aircraft you can get inside the crowd line (and become an obstacle for someone else!).

Cheers,

Colin
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ExitRow
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Thu Nov 07, 2002 2:41 am

Then again, sometimes people make for interesting photographs...

This kid was having a blast running up and down the ramp.

http://exitrow.freeservers.com/bw15.jpg

This one kind of summarizes a day at the airshow.

http://exitrow.freeservers.com/day.jpg

NOTE: You'll probabloy have to cut and paste. I think Freeservers is on to me.

I agree with the advice to go early. The only people there when the gates open are vendors and geeks like us...

W.
 
mirage
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RE: Badpeople? Bloody Annoying People!

Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:55 am

Yes, crowd can add to the photos but photos like those and these are not Airliners.net material.

http://www.pbase.com/image/3079483/large
http://www.pbase.com/image/3079642

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