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Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:03 pm

... hopefully with permission....


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See for example here in this newspaper from Luxemburg:
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berlinspotter
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:13 am

It was no problem. They were very kind to me and asked for permission before anything happened! They invited me to visit them today what I already did! Nice people and nice cooperation! I can't complain.

Thomas
 
joe pries
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:16 am

Thomas,
did they pay you?

Joe
 
berlinspotter
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:34 am

Yes, payment was ok for such an ordinary shot. They even offered me a contract to supply them with pictures when needed.

Everything went alright. No worries.

Thomas

BTW, how much would you have asked for it? The full rights are still with me but they have the right to publish it.
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:49 am

Thomas,
believe me you dont want to know how much Reuters paid me in the past for crash shots. I hope they made it worth your while.

Joe
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 7:38 am

Joe,

How much? Big grin
 
legolars
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:54 am

well how much then joe!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
joe pries
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 9:35 am

As I was telling Thomas on private email, i got 20 times what he got for crash photos in the past- he said they want a contract with him- sure they do, they just got the steal of a lifetime with what they are giving Thomas- for worldwide distribution to every magazine and newspaper and internet outlet on earth- you need to get paid some serious dollars- as soon as he said they want to give him a contract i said to myself- they are loving this kid cause they just saved themselves a bundle. I told Thomas to talk to his parents about this and see what they say. I just hate to see people getting bent over and raped especially when they dont know what they're doing when dealing with multi-billion dollar companies.

Joe
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:46 am

How much is right for this type of deal then? is it $100 or is it $500?? Is it even more?

Staffan
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:51 am

If there are alot of others with the same shot, you cant demand what you would if you have say an american 767 that few people have the same exact registration- but for the usage that Reuters or AP does, I would say for a very common airplane that there are many shots of- 750 to 1000 US should do. Remember, the photo will be syndicated to every news outlet on earth- that means everywhere on the planet- thats not 100 or 200 bucks worth.

Joe
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:59 am

Cool, that's almost a new decent SLR... Or quite a few nights at the pub Big grin

Staffan
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:06 am

I've posted this link before, but it's worthy of posting again. It's a pdf file concerning usage and photography pricing. It's a good primer. (But by no means everything.) I suggest all young/new photographers interested in selling their images read it. Actually, in speaking for other commercial shooters... I DEMAND you read it.  Big grin

http://courses.wccnet.org/~donw/pdf/onaji/usage.pdf

Art directors, photo editors and art buyers will ALWAYS try to get the cheapest price out of a photographer and they can smell a young one through the phone. Educate yourself. Be prepared.

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joe pries
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:07 am

Staffan,
as long as Reuters and other firms finds guys who'll gladly take a few bucks you can forget the dslr. The only way to make serious money is if you shoot a registration that they cant get from someone else or someone elses shot of the airplane sucks- if you're the only guy with a shot of a particular crashed airplane you are king- but you have to play your cards right or they'll take you for a nice ride if they see you're a newbie or a kid- they'll feel you out good and know what to offer.

Joe
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:08 am

You photographers are always after money...... Big grin
You arent all students are you?  Big grin
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Staffan
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:14 am

Joe, yeah I know, I usually try to figure out first what to charge when I get a request. Most of the times I've been turned down with the excuse "sorry...blah blah blah..no pay", but once in a while it goes my way and I get what I want, that makes it worth it! It gets really boring spending time replying to mails from people who want stuff for free...

Staffan
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:15 am

Gkirk, I am... I'm more horny on money than anyone else on this site  Big grin

Staffan
 
joe pries
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:48 am

Staffan,
I turn away "business" quite often because its usually b.s., either freebies or "limited budgets"- you know how much it costs to travel the world to shoot airliners? thousands of dollars. Lets not even get into film and equipment costs..... real clients will not waste your time and will pay you what your work is worth and not play games with you.

Joe
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 11:51 am

Too bad real clients don't grow on trees..

Staffan
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 9:35 pm

I can only second what Joe said.....if they want the image, they'll pay for it!

Commerical request = show me the money

It is hard sometimes to find the right price, but once you have done it a couple of times you get the hang of it!

Vasco
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Fri Nov 08, 2002 10:13 pm

Unless you get the guys I get, who never get in contact with you again once you told them you want money for it. Just had that the other week.
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:44 am

I've just had a request from RAYTHEON Airline Avn Svs in Wichita asking permission to use one of my shots on a calendar they are producing for 2003 - the offer they made me : photographer credit and a few free calendars !!! Thought it a bit of a cheek really but sent it them anyway - I like to see my work in print and viewed by the masses, especially those in the industry. I did include a line in my reply to the effect that others receive princely sums for the use of photo's so hopefully that may give the guy a bit of a guilt trip !!!
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joe pries
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Wed Nov 13, 2002 5:08 am

BB, giving it to them for a few free calendars is your business, personally i'd rather burn all my almost 100,000 slides and throw my D60 and all my gear from the 100th floor of the empire state building before giving a multi-billion dollar company anything for nothing. Every time anyone here gives these companies a freebie they laugh in their offices cause they just saved hundreds of dollars because if they had gone the usual route of a stock photo agency they would have paid atleast $300 or more for a photo like that- you made thier day today, there are happy people at Raytheon today

Joe
 
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:02 am

Steady on, it's up to the individual photographer as to whether they charge or not. At the same time I also agree that any request for a picture should be backed up with good money. But at the end of the day it's the individuals choice.

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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:51 am

A stockphoto of an aircraft is of course not in the same category as a shot of a crashsite.

Stock shots usually bring very little per reproduction but the total can run up nicely.
Always agree to a decent fee per X photos printed, if they then publish it in a large newspaper with a printrun of half a million copies you can get some nice money.
Most organisations of photographers publish the currently going rates, try to find them (ask a wedding photographer for example, he's no competitor but will have the rates or access to them) and use those as a starting point.
Remember, those are the rates the publishing houses expect to pay to professionals so they're used to them!
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ExitRow
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RE: Reuters Buys At A.net Again

Wed Nov 13, 2002 7:25 am

Here's the truth of it:

If it's a NON-PROFIT organization asking for a trade, consider it a charitable donation. Feel good about yourself but be sure to get your name out there with a credit of some sort.

If it's a small FOR-PROFIT company, at least charge what it cost you to acquire the image. (Film, processing, gas, beef jerky...)

If it's for a LARGE, FOR-PROFIT CORPORATE ENTITY with yearly overhead costs that exceed the income of your family's last five generations, CHARGE A FORTUNE.

Why? Because it's probably IN THEIR BUDGET. Every print job worth being involved with will have a photography budget. By saving money on said budget by paying pennies, you're getting someone ELSE a promotion or bonus and screwing yourself and other photographers in the process.

This is the same "revolution" that happened to graphic designers and typesetters when the desktop computer came into existence. Everybody and their mother claimed to be a "graphic designer" and the consequence was qualified, talented designers were being outbid by younger, less experienced "designers" with a Macintosh in their parents' basement. (Albeit, the work was lower quality, but to some marketing guy that doesn't know the difference between a serif and a descender, who cares?)

Now, with digital cameras and Airliners.net, art directors and buyers are smartening up to the fact that they can get "decent" imagery without having to pay for it. Learning how to price your images is just as important as learning exposure settings... if not more so.

Yes, it's nice to see your photo all over the place, but keep in mind what you are doing. It affects the market and quite honestly, in some cases, you are throwing away a winning lottery ticket.



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