VgnAtl747
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Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 10:49 pm

For some time I've wanted to get into aviation photography. I'm planning on going to a local airport next week with a friend who also wanted to get into it, and take some pictures. I plan on shooting 35mm, 22mm APS, and possibly some Digital (If I can convince my dad to lend me his Nikon Digital). Any advice for a beginner? Any tips?
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wietse
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 11:09 pm

Im pretty busy right now, I can only say: dont shoot APS. perhaps some of the other members can provide you with the reason.

Wietse
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vaman
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 11:12 pm

I'm off to breakfast.....but,

Remember you have to eventually digitize the images and APS sucks because......because.....well it just does.

hopes this helps
Logan
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sat Nov 09, 2002 11:38 pm

Mike,

The best bit of advice I can give is don't expect to get your pictures accepted here right away - the standards are very high. Shoot pictures for your own enjoyment, practice and improve your skills. There are other aviation sites to upload to with varying levels of quality. Most important of all, have fun.

If you go digital, aim for at least the Sony 717 level of camera as some of the cheaper digitals do not have the optics required for decent aviation photography. If you can afford it, DSLR is the way to go.

If you do not want to spend mega bucks on a digital, go for a decent film SLR. Avoid APS and point and shoot cameras.

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 12:45 am

Mike,

Composing a good photograph is all up to the photographer's skill and perception-that's the element you have most control over, the other part of photography that you need to be aware of is things like aperture and shutter speed. Unfortunately with an APS or 35mm point and shoot you lose any control over shutter speed and aperture which puts you at an immediate disadvantage, the other drawback with point and shoot or APS is that you lose the ability to chuck a zoom lens on the front and get 'up close and personal' which has become very much more difficult since 9/11.

About 3-4 years ago I bought my first proper SLR, a Canon EOS300. What I did with it was I initially set it on auto settings but made sure that I recorded the'F' number and shutter speed on most (if not all) photographs I took. Within a few months I had a fairly good grasp of the fudamentals and frequently used completely manual settings to achieve good results-particularly in situations where I knew the light would fool the camera's auto settings. So I spent three happy years taking great pictures, but it was becoming obvious that digital was the way forward so I purchased a small 2 megapixel digital camera and used it to get used to the format etc before spending the big money. Three months later (about two weeks ago) I got the Canon D30, which is not at all dissimilar to the EOS300 that I still have, but the difference is that whereas I would previously go to Heathrow take a load of pictures and then a week later see that I've got a pile of great prints I now have the ability to download my pictures as soon as I get home and upload them straight away if I think they are good enough. My problem now is that I have thousands of prints that my scanner is simply not good enough to scan properly, the alternative to scanning prints is to scan the negatives (there is far more detail on a negative than on a print) but that requires a different type of scanner.

In summary the basics for good composition are keep your back to the sun (if you are lucky enough to get some!), try and keep the aircraft in the centre of the frame, hold the camera level and try to keep the picture 'clean'-lighting poles/passengers/other aircraft the guys working on the ramp etc-all these things usually serve only to distract from the aircraft being photographed.

Aperture and shutter speed you'll have to learn-most basic photography books give you the basics of it though. If you see this as a long term thing then go for a digital SLR, they are more flexible in terms of lenses and are cheaper in the long run because you don't have any films to develop-you do it all yourself with an editing program (I use Paint Shop Pro 7).

I've been into photography for 16 years and yet it was only last week that I got my first picture on A.net-I think it's called the D30 effect! Anyway, I'm having as much fun with it now as I was in 1986 when I was using a point and shoot. If you upload to A.net and get knocked back don't stress about it-just count it as experience-I don't know anyone on this site who has not had pictures rejected somewhere along the line.

Good luck!


Matt
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 1:13 am

#1 Why are you taking photos? If it is for your own enjoyment and recreation, have at.
If youare doing it because it is "cool" to have photos on this site (or any other site), forget it. It can be too frustrating and the learning curve can be steep for the high quality this site demands. (and the other big sites are also demanding, tho perhaps not as much as Airliners...)

#2 There are a couple of nice articles on airplane photography here on this site. Read them. Page through the recent additions to this site so that you know what level you want to achieve. Look at other sites and see the type of shots there. Learn what looks good and what does not.

#3 If you know nothing about photography take a class at school or a Jr College on photography basics. Pick up a book at library or book store on photography basics. Kodak has a couple nice ones out and I like the National Geopgraphic Photographers Field Guide. Basic and common sense without lots of technical terms.

#4 Go out to the airport and HAVE FUN watching the airplanes. Take lots of photos and then compare them HONESTLY to what you see posted here. If you have the ability to link some of them to this site through your own web page do so and ASK QUESTIONS. The ones titled "Help me with this" tend to get lots of good responses.

#5 Stick with a quality SLR or Digital camera. You don't need to have a big bucks one to take great photos. But you do have to learn how to take great photos.

#6 ENJOY YOURSELF!!!!!  Smile

Tony
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 1:30 am

Yes that's it, enjoy yourself, shoot for yourself.

I can't belive there are people shooting for Airliners.net, what if this site ends?

Luis
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 1:38 am

Mirage:

They'll just go to 'the other siTe' Big grin Or that other one, the one that got accused of being an A.net rip(p -?)-off...

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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 1:52 am

There is a good side about "shooting for A-net". It does FORCE you to try for the best quality you can. The standards are high, which means you have to work to get your stuff posted. That means people either give up and go elsewhere/drop the hobby. Or they become better photographers.
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 2:20 am

ok but that was not my point. I feel sorry for those people who don't shoot the photos they like, they shoot the photos that are going to be very popular at Airliners.net (hits hits hits).

Luis
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 3:02 am

Luis you are right on the mark. If people are only shooting so they can put photos on this site they are going to be miserable and will quickly lose interest. (Probably after spending a bunch of money on camera gear they don't need!)

Tony

(then again, maybe we can get some good camera deals from those people!!!  Smile )
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 6:15 am

Thanks for all your comments... we'll see how they come out... seems the general consensus is to skip over the APS, so I think I'll leave my APS at home, and stick with my fully manual 35mm and Nikon Digital.

Mainly I'm shooting because I like photography and aviation, my goal is not to get photos on airliners.net, well, at least not right away. Thanks again.
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 6:26 am

I would like to clarify that I don't see anything wrong with the people who have the goal of getting photos on Airliners.net, I have that goal.

What I see is wrong, in my personal way of thinking, is to forgot our own likes and tastes due to the obsession of getting views.

Luis
 
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 9:07 am

Hi there!

Airliners.net is the reason I started taking pictures.

I had been admiring the photos on A.net for quite some time before I tried to photograph airplanes and send in my own pictures. So I agree that there is nothing wrong about shooting photos to get them posted on A.net

I am just beginning to grasp the basics but using a digital camera has made things much more easy for me. Good digital cameras are expensive but they save a fortune as you don´t have to worry about developing the film and such. I suspect that many puritans don´t like it but I think digital is definitely the future.

I admit that my friends and colleagues knew within seconds when I had my first picture accepted. That sparked interest in at least two of them who are now trying for themselves. So have fun and let others in on it.

Siggi  Smile
 
VgnAtl747
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RE: Newbie -- Any Advice?

Sun Nov 10, 2002 10:42 pm

Thanks Siggi... the friend that I'm going with called the airport yesterday and managed to get us credentials, so we're allowed to go anywhere... it's just a small regional airport, mostly served by DH8's, Jetstream 41's, and an occasional ERJ and/or CRJ. I'm not expecting the pictures to come out great the first time, but I've been taking pictures for years, just never tried aircraft... we'll see how it goes.
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