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Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 3:38 pm

OK, I know you have probably heard it before, and it won't be the last time, but have any of you out there experienced an increase in rejected photos in the last week or so?
I have 176 photos in the database with an average view of 889, not bad for only 176 photos. But recently I have experienced an increase in rejected photos like I have never seen before. I'm just trying to understand why. Screeners, If you would care to comment on the subject, it would be greatly appreciated. I have included a link below with my most recent rejection for badsoft. Please, if you have the time take a look at the photo and give me your honest opinion.

http://www.pbase.com/image/7179185/original

Thanks,

Paul Paulsen
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:50 pm

Paul,

check out the latest topic by Michael McL.
I have gotten a few rejected for badsoft, badblurry and so on..........

Now more uploads for me for the time being, unless I have the killer shot with 100% quality!

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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:32 pm

Yep, it's soft. The good news is that when I applied some adaptive unsharp to it in PhotoPaint, it looked awesome.

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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:01 pm

Charles is right, have looked at the image again, a little USM would certainly help => in a great image!

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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:20 pm

Soft. You can get much sharper stuff out of the D30 with a little more USM.

And on the subject of rejections increasing lately, Johan has been putting some pressure on us to tighten up especially on these kind of shots where a little bit of extra processing witll make them into excellent shots. That's why the badSoft reason was created if you only get badSoft then you should be able to fix it with a little bit of USM and it will be accepted.

What we're not really doing is giving guys the leeway we were before.

J
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:37 pm

I dunno why exactly you support the theory that a bit of sharpening would make a 'badsoft' accepted. I sharpened mine, it looked excellent and then it was rejected for 'badcommon'...
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:56 pm

Ahh but it wasn't BAd Soft then was it.

 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:06 pm

I don't know. Can you tell me? I think that they could have said to me right away 'badcommon' so that I wouldnt have to spend one hour touching up a single slide. This shows how opinions of 'badcommon' are different among screeners.
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Tue Nov 12, 2002 11:13 pm

mmmmmm

That's why the appeal function has been put into place. It's been discussed to death.

Anyway, this has been explained AD NAUSEUM.

That's that, can't help you anymore if you just want to nit pick, It has all been explained in other threads.
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:20 am

Thanks so much for your comments. I will try to improve the quality with USM.
But does anyone out there have some values ( for unsharpmask) I can try that they would recommend? I use values of 200, 0.4 to 1.5, and 2 top to bottom in the unsharpmask boxes now.
Thanks again for the help.
Paul
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:56 am

Assuming you're talking about Photoshop, I think your values are a bit off -

Try starting with 100, .5 and 0. Increase amount until things start to look jaggy, then notch it back a bit. If you have a very clean image you can try increasing the amount and decreasing the radius. I'd ignore threshold - its value is questionable at best, and tends to do more harm than good at a.net resolutions.

Cheers,

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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:40 am

Glenn,

To me, as it is to many other photographers, appealing is no longer an option. It simply takes too long for Johan to look at the photos. (3 months from my last experience)

Paul,

I have been noticing it too, along with an increase in the "head-scratching rejections". I think your photo is fine as it is. Sure it can use a slight amount of sharpening, but it far exceeds the quality of some of the photos I've seen on here lately.

I'm trying to get something together for LAX next month, I'll keep you posted.

Brian - SPOT THIS!
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:56 am

Anyone else with workable values for photoshop's unsharp mask?????


Colin,
Thanks for the info, I will give it a go..........................



Brian,

I'm glad to hear you liked the photo, and as you said some of the rejections leave me scratching my head too. It's almost gotten me to the point where I'm afraid to submit anything at all.
Ok, keep me informed as to your plans for LAX

Paul
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Wed Nov 13, 2002 7:20 am

Paul,

Check this article out, it's a great explaination of how the unsharp mask works.

http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/11242.html

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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:15 am

Staffan,

Thanks so much for the link, I will check it out.

Paul
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:26 am

Jason,

Sorry I didn't thank you earlier but I'm doing it now. It always helps to have a screeners POV.

Paul
 
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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:00 am

Not being a serious photographer and contributor like most of you all are, I usually keep my mouth shut, but the "High Standards" here are getting insane!  Nuts
Me or John Q internet surfer really couldn't care less if the above picture could look 0.0000035% better. Too me the pic looks down right awesome as it is! As with most other shady rejections here. I love Airliners.net for the amazing quantity of nice pictures it presents from all over the world. I wont notice the difference between the two, and most others wont either. What I bet me and John Q internet surfer WOULD like to see more of, are interesting shots from different angles, lighting conditions and spots. I'm not sure my eyesight is actually on a par with the quality of the pics here! Big grin

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RE: Is There An Increase In Rejected Photos?

Thu Nov 14, 2002 7:15 am

I couldn't agree with you more Clovis about what John Q internet surfer wants! As a photographer, and I hope an artist, I like to see things from many POV. The one thing that motivated me to get back into aviation photography was Chris Sheldon's work. He truly has an eye for angle and composition, and it is so apparent in his work. I truly believe that these several key factors are the most important part of getting a great shot. When anyone view a photo on the A net, there initial contact is a thumbnail view. We can't see if it's slightly soft or has a reflection, we are solely motivated to view the shot by the initial impression the thumbnail gave us. Keeping this in mind, certain cosmetic factors of a shot are far less important than the composition, angle, and uniqueness of the photo.
I sure hope there are a few of you out there that feel the same way as I do about this matter. In the future I will do my best to improve the sharpness of my photos. Thanks again to all of you who left suggestions on how to improve my shots, I truly appreciate it!
Paul

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