mirage
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Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 4:50 am

Recently I started to upload photos to photoSIG to share and receive different comments about photography.

Today I put this photo there:



Well, can you imagine there were people to insinuate that this photo was manipulated under Photo Shop  Wow!

Two comments:

"I hope it's real, without PS-changes. NICE!"

"Sweet! Love the sky and the composition. Even if it was manipulated it is still good. If you have a chance please check my work."

I'm not affected by this, I just think it's incredible how distorted some people minds are.

Luis

 
2912n
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:38 am

It is because people are idiots. Sad isn't it.
 
mirage
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:54 am

Yes it's a kind of sad when people doesn't understand something, they start to invent.

As the link is not working the photo is this:


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Photo © Luis Rosa



Luis
 
ExitRow
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:55 am

Luis,
That's a gorgeous image.

Ignore the fools. They don't know what they are talking about.

William
 
EGGD
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:02 am

Luis - as far as I am aware, photosig are always suggesting that photos are fake, so I wouldn't be bothered!! Do you remember that photo of a 747 landing over Maho beach and everyone said it was fake until the a.net troop arrived? I think there are no worries.

btw. the picture is superb, amazing colours Big grin
 
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:06 am

Hi Luis and 2912N:

I also have an image on PhotoSig, and you must remember that each site has an entirely different reason for being.

On PhotoSig, most of its audience wouldn't care a bit for the differenct between a Piper Cub and the Concorde. As far as the uninitiated are concerned, they are both just airplanes. But the real reason for the PhotoSig site is for the ART of photography.

Composition, light, shadow etc are the judging criteria. And in the art world, there is indeed a great deal of photo manipulation in the name of art. Just take a look at the advertising world and images used in magazine ads to see the ultimate form of image manipulation.

And of course, where do you draw the line. I will admit to manipulating photos, even some of the ones here on A.net. Oh blasphemy, shame and scandal. Let the complaints pour in about my work. But let's also be realistic.

Lighten, darken, contrast, unsharp mask, color correction, etc. These are all manipulations of photos. Ok, let the D60 guys say that their images are perfect just as they come out of the camera. Big grin But you see what I mean. I have shots where I have cloned out a piece of trash laying on the ramp in front of the plane. I have also removed a bug splat from the leading edge of a wing to get a clean photo. And yes, I have even taken a whole CAR out of a photo so that the aircraft was perfect. It's also a great way to get those annoying faces out of a frame. Just remove the whole person. So where do we draw the line. Well for one, I will not fake a photo by doing something such as close-cropping an aircraft onto an entirely different background. But some would.

So the point of all this is to say that sites (and the people that use them) like PhotoSig use different criteria than we do. So don't be angry with them or call them idiots. Look at the world through their glasses and understand their point of view. And maybe someday they will see our point of view.

Thanks for the soapbox

Steve
 
mirage
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:08 am

You're right Dan, as I'm watching other photos at photoSIG and the comments, I can see a tendecy for people to use the PS argument very lightly. I don't get it but I'm not really bothered.

Luis
 
mirage
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:23 am

Steve, I can understand that different websites have different criteria, but I was not expecting that those folks at photoSIG were so biased by PS manipulations, I was expecting that at a first sight they would belive it's a genuine photo.

thanks for your opinion
Luis
 
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 5:13 pm

Luis,

I just commented on all of your photos at photosig. That is some amazing stuff, please keep up the good work! I really enjoy your photos.

As for the people at Photosig... most are somewhat ignorant of other photographic generes other than their own, and I think that's why you didn't recieve better comments. They just don't realize how difficult aviation photography is... it's absolutely nothing like still lifes or pictures of the kids.

Again, keep up the good work. I think you are my new favorite photographer!

Shawn
 
mirage
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Sun Nov 17, 2002 11:29 pm

Thanks Shawn, really appreciate your words. BTW, that photo you saw with the Monarch A330 and the reflex on the water, similar to this one:

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Photo © Luis Rosa


that's not ice, it's salt and it was Summer, we don't have snow here, in fact we almost don't have Winter in south Portugal Big grin

Luis
 
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Mon Nov 18, 2002 12:27 am

If you want a friendly crowd who know what can be done with a camera and film without resorting to Photoshop effects, take a look at http://www.usefilm.com.
I wish I were flying
 
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RE: Why Do People Are Like This?

Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:01 am

Jeroen,

you are taking the words out of my mouth.... Usefilm.com has a very friendly atmosphere, and is very good for learning.

Wietse
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