Deaner
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Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:02 pm

...of all this digital RAW talk. We have "raw" photos too, though we usually have to work on 'em for a while to make 'em acceptable. This is what one of my good old 150mm as-usual-not-flying shots looks like fresh out of my scanner. I scanned the underside of the Prime Minister's wing at 600 DPI and compressed it to jpeg level 8 in PShop to bring it down a little from 18 meg. I envy those RAW digicam files for their smaller (yet lossless) sizes. There is next to no dust visible here because I was using Astia Quickload. No curves. No levels. No adjustments. Just Nature's remedy. The depth of field was wonderful.


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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:41 pm

Deaner, that's lovely! Glad to see us film users can do the same as those digital!

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:54 pm

Deaner - the small RAW files is a little misleading ... afterall you can't DO anything with a RAW until you convert it - a 16 bit TIF extraction of a D60 RAW actually comes out at 36mb.

No question (in my mind) that slide film is still a superior medium to digital in absolute terms ... the problem is that a slide by itself is of limited use (for me anyway) - I have to scan it or print it to get a useful finished item. So much is lost in this interim process that the DSLR, in my opinion, can hold its own or even get the advantage over film.

Of course I'm talking about 35mm here ... I think you're moving the goal post just a tad with your steup !  Smile

Lovely shot (as usual).

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:11 pm

Nice like usual!

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:59 pm

Here is my go at this, a Sensia 100 slide scanned on the Minolta Dual II, only saved as jpg (quality 10) in Photoshop. No editing done.

Click here

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:16 am

While I may discuss digital alot, I still do plenty of good ole scanning of my slides and still shoot alot of slides so i'm on both boats here and support both platforms

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:50 am

Have a look at this...

Full size tiff on Nikon Coolscan IV of a Provia slide. Only converted to Jpeg with no compression.

WARNING 7MBs

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 6:22 am

In my opinion, digital can be better than 35mm scans. But I believe that no digital photo from a DSLR can be as good in quality as this medium format scan from deaner.
 
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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:21 am

Right now as I see it scanned 35mm slides, are nice overall but the smoothness of the colors just aren't there as you see it in digital.

Though Deaner's Medium format scans (which format are you using exactly), they seem to have that smoothness, probally has something to do with the scan size.
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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:40 am

PPGMD, thats because he only scanned it at 600 DPI, Wietse and I scanned ours at 2700 DPI, which means that grain will start to be visible.
Deaner's photos are really great looking!

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:49 am

All I can say is poor digital guys. I have a drum scan of a Velvia transparency that is 9000 x 6000 pixels. This is a 154 meg file size and when printed on glossy photo paper at 150 dpi on a high resolution commercial printer gave me a print of 40" x 60" and the quality is awesome. It looks stunning on my living room wall.

Maybe someday digital will catch up. But for now, top quality demands transparencies, at least if you plan to go big.

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:30 am

Steve, in absolute terms you are correct - but life is full of compromises. I'm happier with D60 output than 35mm up to around 8x10in. Things even out at around 11x14in. Beyond this, given optimum processing, film still outperforms (latest Kodak and Canon may change this).

But, being realistic, I considered how many really large prints I make (or perhaps more to the point sell) - the answer, very few. My work tends to centre around the 8x10.

If I were regularly working with large prints, I probably would have opted for medium format rather than digital.

Cheers,

Colin

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RE: Crazy Film People Feel Left Out...

Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:38 am

The new Hasselblad lets you switch between a film back and a digital back, it's rather pricey though..  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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