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How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:53 am

Hello!

I was looking through some of the Kai Tak photos and came across this Tyrolean Dash 8 in Kai Tak, how did this make it to HKG? I doubt somebody would charter a Dash 8 from Austria or from any location in Europe, or was there somekind of DeHavilland facility there?


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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 4:58 am

D,
same way you can get a Cessna 172 from Wichita Kansas to Sydney Australia- extra fuel tanks and a crapload of stops along the way.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:00 am

Joe:Still doesn't explain why this Tyrolean came to Hong Kong, right?

Honestly, I think this must be one of the best jobs: ferrying Cessna's or ev ven giant jetliners from North America/Europe/... to another continent...

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:07 am

Ivan its one of the worst jobs actually. When I was out in HNL 3 years ago doing a job, some weird Dash 8 came in- i was like what the... -it was an Air Vanatu Dash 8- being ferried from Canada via Oakland to HNL, then I forget what islands down in the Pacific then finally to Vanatu- I b.s'd with the pilot and he told me its "bloody boring" doing these ferry jobs especially props which are slow and take hours to make these trips. At HNL the 2 man crew took a day rest and stayed the night in HNL before leaving in the morning to continue to journey.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:10 am

Asked and answered in the other forum:

"From what I remember it was doing a demo to either the GFS in Hong Kong or one of the carriers in China or Taiwan."

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:29 am

Good comparison Joe, any idea how long it took the Dash 8 to fly the OAK - HNL leg? My guess is, about 8-9 hours?

I still think it would be fun to fly those empty birds all over, you could actually have some fun with them, remember no PAX to worry about.  Big grin

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:56 am

I'm pretty sure they ferry the Cessnas overseas by either larger aircraft or by ships.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:43 am

Continental,

Yes, sometimes small aircraft are disassembled and sent in a container but then it's being shipped not ferried. As far as air freight, who can afford that? The only aircraft that I have ever seen air freighted other than for the military, was a helicopter. Most times the aircraft are flown, smallest I've seen, and this is in Honolulu, are Cessna 172's and Piper Cadets. Here's a link to an interesting article in the Honolulu Star Bulletin about a pilot ferrying a Piper Cadet.

http://starbulletin.com/1999/09/24/features/story2.html

any idea how long it took the Dash 8 to fly the OAK - HNL leg? My guess is, about 8-9 hours?

Dmitry, you guessed right. I do however know of one Dash 8 100 that flew Calgary- Honolulu direct in 9 hours.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:10 am

Continental,

No, Cessnas and other light general aviation planes are flow to the buyer's country. So when Cessna gets a new order from some guy in France, they load the plane with extra fuel tanks (and all the vents and vanes that comes with it) An HF radio and the pilot is equipped with top-notch survival equipment. The wet suit the pilot use can keep a man alive in the cold Atlantic waters for 6 hours, there is also an inflatable raft equipped with a roof and an ELT (Emergency Location transmitter). All this comes with a pile of documents that certifies the aircraft to fly with an higher gross weight than in normal operations.

After all this is done the plane will fly a northern route, usually taking it up to Labrador or Nunavut (Frosbisher Bay- Iqualuit typically) then the plane will cross into Greenland to land at Sondre Stromfjord (Kangerlussuaq), refuel and go for a flight over Greenland's icecap to Kulusuk which is on the Eastern coast of Greenland. After that a flight over the ocean to reach Keflavik in Iceland, then to either the Faeroe Islands or direct to Scotland. This flight could take anything between a small week to 2 months to complete depending on the weather conditions, which can be unpredictable in that part of the world. The route is typical but sometimes they use other airports.
Sometimes also, if winds are favorable some ferry pilots will choose to go direct.

Then for the return flight, a nice first class airline ticket  Smile

Here's a few websites about Atlantic crossings into single engine aircraft http://www.kokomodental.com/North-Atlantic-Crossing.htm
http://www.gruner.com/flight/chapter2/index.htm

Hope this helps
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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:42 am

When the last Dash-8 classic was delivered to Japan (S/N 583- JA803K) to Air Nippon Network(A-net)the ferry route was via Iceland-Greenland-Europe-Mid East- India- Thailand-Taiwan with entry into Japan at Kansai.Takes around 8 days with 2 days for crew rest along the way.The Q400 can usually take the pacific routing(Alaska-Russia). We tried a route across Russia once but it was a nightmare and the fuel quality at some of the airports enroute was questionable.
The Tyrolean airplane was on a demo tour of Asia (leased to Bombardier)most likely demonstrating the NVS when it became standard equipment.Unlike Cessna's Dash-8 's cannot be disassembled for shipping.
 
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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 10:44 am

No, Cessnas and other light general aviation planes are flow to the buyer's country.

Not entirely true, they are flown most often but sometimes an owner will have them disassembled and shipped in a cargo container.

How do I know this? I'm a mechanic and have in the past,with a couple of other mechanics, unpacked and assembled a total of 2 Piper Archers and 1 Tobago.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 11:17 am

Granted, T prop. However most of the aircraft are flown as this is the cheapest opition.
 
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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 6:30 pm

Very interesting fellows! Thanks for the heads up. I don't think I would really want to ferry a single engine across the ocean, just to risky. But, they must make a lot of $$$!

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:46 pm

Joe Pries: Thanks for your answer.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:15 am

Wonder how much somebody would charge a client to ferry a C172 from CA to HNL? Couple of grand I would think.

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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Mon Nov 25, 2002 11:24 am

A pilot is paid about 3000$ for each ferry flight across the pond.
 
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RE: How Did This Dash 8 Make T To Hkg?

Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:21 pm

That ferry pilot should consider himself lucky...

I used to work with a guy who was with a C-133 squadron.

They used to make runs from Travis AFB in California to Japan...


Non-stop, 170 knots airspeed.


That would have been slowwwww.....

And uncomfortable especially if you are stuck crashing on a troop seat.
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