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How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:04 am

Just curious....

In my opinion this is a must have, seems to cover most of the telephoto shots I have taken (80-200). Even when using the 80-400 I find the farthest out I zoom is in the 240-260 range.

 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:10 am

Yep, I have both 100-400 and 70-200 but I find the 70-200 stays in the bag most of the time.

J
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:15 am

Royal... my favorite lens. I have shot with that lens for a while now and it is the sharpest/fastest I have... can't beat the 2.8speed. I would go with the "-S" version though (seems to be a little better glass, and a faster AF). BTW... Nikon's newest 80-200 f2.8 will be a VR lens. - Scott
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:15 am

Royal,

add me to the list, like Jason's my 80-200 stays in the bag most of the times, unless I am shooting non aviation stuff.

Vasco
 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:19 am

well... of course I don't have a 400+ lens so my 80-200 might not be overused if I had say the 300 f2.8  Smile
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:31 am

the reason I ask is I was comparing some shots I took at LAX from the NWA Cargo Lot, and I can't believe how much sharper the 80-200 shots are compared to the 80-400VR shots, both around 200mm (as measured from the lens) focal length.

 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:40 am

I have several other Nikon lenses that are the 3.5/5.6 range (not the VR though), and even another shorter focal length 2.8, and in comparison tests none even come close to the sharpness of the 80-200 2.8, just my $.02.
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:01 am

the reason I ask is I was comparing some shots I took at LAX from the NWA Cargo Lot, and I can't believe how much sharper the 80-200 shots are compared to the 80-400VR shots, both around 200mm (as measured from the lens) focal length.
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Royal, give the Canon 100-400IS a shot, ive heard nothing but good things about it from the guys here.

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:14 am

Count me in too..  Smile

I'm using both 80-200/2.8 and 100-400IS but still 100-400 stays in my camera most of the time. There is very small difference in quality between these lenses, 80-200 has a slight edge in sharpness and contrast over the 100-400 but this can't be seen very clearly unless you shoot MTF charts...

-Janne
 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:58 am

The 70-200mm 2.8 is one of my favorites - I use it for a lot of portrait/candid work. Not much for aviation, as the focal range and reach of the 100-400 is usually more appropriate.

But I am seriously considering trading in the 100-400mm and using the 70-200 with a convertor instead - I need to do some more field testing of that combination first though, and the weather hasn't been co-operative.

Royal - I'm surprised you're finding such a difference in quality between the 2 lenses ... I've heard that the 80-400mm VR is pretty good (for a Nikon  Smile) - are you sure this is a difference in the lenses or could it be technique ... over-reliance on the VR?

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:19 am

Here's what's in my bag which covers just about everything I can think of to shoot on a day-to-day basis.

All Nikon "D" lenses

16mm f:2.8
20-35 f:2.8
35-70 f:2.8
80-200 f:2.8
300 f:2.8
50 f:1.4 (for when I just have to have a real fast lens)
2x converter.

For aviation, especially air-to-air (the ones shot FROM another airplane) nothing can beat the 80-200 when I'm using 35mm cameras. Of course nothing beats the 150mm T* on the Hasselblad. Big grin

On a personal note, I hate variable aperature lenses and much prefer fixed aperature lenses for my zooms. As you can also see, I love fast glass.

Hope this helps

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:18 am

actually the whole VR thing is slightly annoying. Sam Chui and I were comparing notes on it. Sometimes when it activates it causes the frame to "drop" not sure how to describe it other than that, but what looks like a centered aircraft in the viewfinder winds up imaging on the lower third of the frame.

I don't think it is overreliance on the VR, as we are talking monopod shots at 1/1000 or better. I can post some samples here in a bit.

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:58 am

I have had that lense since my start: 80-200f2.8.

I was asking people advise, and Joe told me right off, if you want good sharp images - thats what I need.

I bought the 70-300 f4/5.6 and that was a bit different, but this is what matters: $$$$$$$$$$$  Big grin

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:10 am

I use the a 100-400mm lens and I think it's excellent. I can't ever imagine where I'd be with only a 70-200mm lens. For the side-on actionshots I do I could only catch widebodies here at AMS. I often need focal lenghts over 300mm.
I am considering the Canon 70-200 F4 for extra sharpness at the lower end, and an extra 30mm at the low end. I don't have needs for a converter so I don't think I need the 2.8.

I think this combo of the 100-400 and 70-200 would perfectly fit my needs.

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:56 am

I have used the Sigma 70-210 F2.8 APO, it's about what you need for normal film shots, and more than enough for the digital shoots. Most people that I know only really need the 200mm for normal uses.
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:11 am

I used to own the Sigma 70-210 F2.8 APO -its great until you put your slides up to a good loupe- then the tears start flowing- im sorry, but its true. Put a 2x converter on it- and you'll fill a bathtub with the tears- I learned a valuable lesson back when I owned that lens.

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:26 am

Royal - couple of things

1) why shoot at 1000th? You must then be shooting with the lens wide open, and no lens is at its best there. Afterall you've got VR - give it something to do -try shooting at 500 or less with the lens at f8-f11

2) Using VR and the monopod - well I don't know about Nikon units, but the earlier Canon IS lenses got confused if mounted on a tripod and sometimes tripped into some odd jumping around - I think the little gyros are expecting some motion - now Canon is introducing autosensing which disables IS when tripod mounted.

Cheers,

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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:46 am

Joe not all of us can afford a Brand Name 80-200 F2.8 AFS/USM IS/VR L/ED (mix the right combination to get your brand), haven't had a problem with the Sigma, maybe when I have enough money to get a brand name one I will but when your budget is limited and don't want to spend the same amount of money as a good body on a single lens you make do.
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:12 am

Royal... I did read a review on the VR that said it was not recommended to be used with any support, and it was suggested that when used with a tripod/monopod that the VR be turned off. I think it was a review in Pop-Photog or something like that. -Scott
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:31 am

ppmgd,
i hear you- thats why i too started with the sigma and then stepped up to the canon when i had the money- when you get the cash, you can make the move- I highly recommend it. Try for a used one on ebay, mine is up there as we speak.

Joe
 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:22 pm

The Nikon 80-200 2.8 naturally became my basic spotting lens, after using several lenses - 75-300, 28-200, 200-400, etc. After using all of these ( and some more!) at the same time, it filtered down to the 80-200 because for me it covered the most useful range of mm's with quality, Though the 2.8 aperure helps a lot. I now have the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS and the 100-400 - havent done spotting with them yet, but from a test I did with a roll of film, the 70-200 seems like something special indeed.
 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:09 pm

For me the 70-210 APO is the usual lens to use, it has the appature to go faster if needed (which is used every once in a while with Velvia), and it covers the zoom range I am looking for. When I need 300 in the daylight, I will dragout the 75-300 ED, which gives me 300mm, with the excellent Nikon ED glass, that works well during the daylight, but even when I have this lens, it spends alot of its time around 200mm.

For Click Happy, the 80-200 F2.8 D ED is the way to go, because its a 120-300mm for you. Get either the AF or AFS and you will be happy, because the AF speed isn't that bad. But if you want the AF speed, but don't want to spend $1500, consider the Sigma 70-200 F2.8 APO HSM.
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:02 pm

I use a Canon 70-200 "L" f2.8 lens and absolutely love it, this lens is very sharp. Often use the Canon 1.4x extender with it and still get very clear shots.
 
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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:50 am

I use the Canon 70-200 f-2.8 and I swear by it. I just wish I had the $$$ to get the newer one with the IS system. Joe is right, save up your $$$ and when you can get a Canon lense, if that is the sytem you have, buy from the manufacturer of the camera, they make better quality than the after-markets..........trust me, I know for a fact.


good luck!


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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:30 am

I'm the proud owner of a Nikkor f/2.8 ED 80-200mm lens...


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RE: How Many Of You Shoot With A 70/80-200 F2.8?

Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:36 am

I have the Nikon 80-200mm f2.8 lens and love it. Lots better than the 70-300mm f4.5-5.6.

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