qantas744
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How Does The Queue Work?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:44 pm

I'm not trying to be cynical but how does the queue work? Sometimes the word 'queue' seems to be applied very loosely to the way things work!

Here are the examples that have puzzled me lately:

On Tuesday I uploaded a batch and all but one were processed by Thursday night. On Friday evening I checked my stats to find there were still nearly 400 pictures ahead of my final picture-but only five minutes later it was accepted on to the database!

Then this morning I uploaded some more, as soon as I finished uploading I checked my stats-about 400 ahead of me-but 4 of my pictures were already in the HQ list even though I had uploaded them only minutes earlier!

It just doesn't seem to be a very ordered queue-it's not a complaint, I'm just curious.


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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 9:21 pm

We can choose whether to process the standard queue, or those already marked as high quality. The standard queue could be empty, but there could still be 400 pictures in the high quality queue, which would in effect be "ahead" of any put into the standard queue, but if we choose to process the standard queue, first screening could still occur before the HQ queue moves. We also have the facility to "instant add" pictures from either queue that are of an exceptionally high quality, which could explain why some pictures move more quickly than others. There are many more complexities of the queue which are too detailed to explain here, but be assured that there is a strict queuing order and the only pictures that tend to jump it are those of very new subjects which we want to get onto the database quickly (usually linked to a banner on the home page).

This morning, both the standard and high quality queues are almost empty - there are less than 200 pictures waiting for the screeners as of now. New uploads are being processed very quickly. The balance of the total queue are those referred to Johan for his special attention.

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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:39 pm

Thanks Andy, it all makes a little more sense now!


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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 1:07 am

Despite three of those being uploaded on Sunday (last one was 302546) I still have four from the same batch that are yet to be pre-screened! Since the sun finally came out down here in London I now have some better quality shots from yesterday to upload, if I upload them now will the four mentioned above slip to the back of the queue or do they stay where they are and get joined by any new uploads?

I have done a search on this and haven't an answer even though I'm sure it's been discussed.


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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 9:31 pm

I added another picture to the batch just to see what happens....

6 days in the queue and still no pre-screening seems a little odd to me.


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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 11:25 pm

It is possible for a shot to get held up in the queue if a screener has a problem with it - perhaps thinks the angle's off, but would prefer to get a 2nd opinion rather than reject it. It has been known for a picture to generate 2 or 3 2nd opinion requests before being either marked as HQ or rejected. Of course while this is going on it will appear to you that the picture has been ignored - while the truth is it could be a matter of great controversy and discussion amongst the screeners.

Cheers,

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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Fri Dec 20, 2002 11:33 pm

Thanks for that,

Personally I'd rather get a rejection than whats going on at the moment so that I can get on with uploading the decent stuff.

C'est la vie I guess!


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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:40 am

... and there you have it - screeners will always get it wrong! Either we push the stuff through quickly and go by our personal instincts and get accused of "inconsistency" or we consult on the marginal shots and are then given grief for slowing things up  Smile

Bottom line - no one should be uploading stuff they think is iffy anyway - if you've got better stuff, just upload that. And once uploaded, forget about it - what's the hurry anyway? You all know your shots will get processed in due course. You also know the screeners are fitting in screening between work, photography, and - believe it or not - spending time with their friends and families.

I know it all seems straightforward on the uploading side of things - I used to wonder myself why things happened the way they did - once you see things from the screener's side you realize things just aren't so simple.

We should all step back and take a broader perspective. Can anyone think of any other web service that has provided such a consistent service on such a large scale over such a period of time purely on voluntary effort (and not just the screeners - check out the new "about" page - and also the many thousand contributors). How many highly financed .dot coms have flourished and died in the time A.net has existed?

When I first started using A.net, one of the things the most impressed me was the way it worked - I'm an IT professional, and this was the first site I'd come across that really implemented all the theoretical potential of the internet. As far as I'm aware it is still the best example of genuinely international group work on a large scale without regard to the god of profit.

So, yes, there are problems with A.net, but somehow it works. Sometimes we just can't see the wood for the trees - but the sum of A.net is a tremendous achievement which should not be forgotten. I guess now is as good a time as any for the many thousands of contributors to A.net to give each other a big "well done" and Happy Xmas.

Cheers,

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RE: How Does The Queue Work?

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:26 am

I accept your points about it seeming easy from this side of the fence and that is true in many situations throughout life-not just in this virtual world. That's why forums like this exist so that people can ask things like 'Why is it that passengers always board from the left of the aircraft?' and get answers from people 'on the other side of the fence' who know the reasons why ( I think the answer is that cargo doors are on the right!).

I think the line about not submitting 'iffy' images is also not so straightforward, the pictures in question are the remaining images from half a day in EDI, I took around 100 shots of which only 12 were uploaded. I shouldn't really have said that they didn't matter-in my opinion they stand a good cance of being added but were not the necessarily the best pictures of the day and having had an hour or so at LHR on Weds 18/12 I now have some better pictures to upload. When I first started uploading I used very strict criteria to judge what I would submit, and having had far more success at uploading than I could have imagined I now find myself going back to those early batches of pictures and looking at them again. I did that a couple of weeks ago and had 21 of the 29 pictures accepted, so what I at first thought might have been 'iffy' pictures (some of them I recall thinking "this is a waste of time, I'll never get this to look any good" during the editing process) were eventually accepted without warnings.

I'm not complaining-although it may have sounded like it....not having the best of days here, I wasted an hour and a half of my life in a meeting with my 'customer account manager' at the bank this morning, then along came the rain to spoil my plans for a little photography this afternoon and then my ISP (BlueYonder) had a reoccurrence of yesterdays problems and refused to display any jpg/bmp/gif images on any webpages (makes this site interesting!).
Apologies if I came across the wrong way. I have no axe to grind with any of the screeners-but as a bit of a novice in this game it's nice to get a better understanding of 'how it works'.

Best Regards,


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