lugonza_2001
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Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:30 pm

Dear Friends:


First of all, merry Christmas to all of You.

Regarding this lens, for a Nikon F65/N65, could you tell me your opinion in terms of quality? Its price here in Spain is 261 €.

Thank You very much, and best regards.

Luis
 
jwenting
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:48 pm

Check my photos. Most are made with this lens (though sold under another brand).

It's a decent lens. Not as good by far as the Nikkors, but you get what you pay for.
I consider it a decent stopgap until I can afford the Nikkor 80-400VR.

Never open it up beyond f/8 as it will display quite heavy falloff and softness beyond that.

It's very lightweight, which makes using the lens at longer shuttertimes without a tripod possible with decent results.
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 1:32 am

Thank You very much for the reply.


There is a similar lens made by Cosina, it´s an AF 100 - 400 for 240 EUR, but i just don´t know either the aperture or quality of this lens. Anyone knows?

I guess the best thing you can get in terms of quality and saving is the Nikkor 70 -300 f4.0 G, isn´t it?

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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 2:02 am

Jwentings lens is the Cosina.. it seems to be identical

Wietse
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lugonza_2001
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 2:04 am

OOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!

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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 3:11 am

yes, Cosina builds the lens and several other brands sell it under their own name  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 9:29 pm

Hi Jwenting

How can i see your pictures?

I guess the lens you have is not bad at all, as your pictures have been acepted at this forum.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:06 pm

It's not a bad lens, just more limited than the better ones.

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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:29 pm

Hi!

Thank you for letting me watching your pictures! they are really nice, specially the 318 and the 340-600 ones! i would love to see the latter one, i believe Iberia will get some to be delivered next summer.

Which camera do you use? i am planing to get a Nikon F65.

Could you tell me the diameter of your lens UV filter?

I have a Soligor 60-300 f4.0 but results are quite bad i have to say, even using a Fuji Reala film, no good pictures at all.

 
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:20 am

I use an F80. Better use no UV filter on the lens, or if you do get a very good one.
I used to use cheap filters, they degrade your photos a lot (and I mean visual degradation on even a 10x15cm print!). As high quality filters are very expensive (expect to pay €50+ for a good quality one for the lens) and the lens is cheap, there is little point in using one (and if you're a bit carefull you don't need them as 'lensprotectors' either).

filter diameter is 67mm on it.

With cheaper lenses, the difference between individual copies can be quite big. Quality control uses wider margins with the minimum that's considered good enough being quite a bit lower than with the expensive stuff (that's one reason they can be cheap, the rejection rate on parts and assembled products is lower which reduces the production cost more than just cheaper materials would achieve).

I use Fuji Provia and Velvia almost exclusively.
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Thu Dec 26, 2002 4:43 pm

Hi

I am not an expert but it´s not the first time i listen that either you get a good filter or better don´t get any one.

Altough i have to admit that i feel a little bit scared having the lens with no protection.

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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:34 pm

The only times you need to protect your lens is when you go out into conditions where there is a very real chance of damage to the lens (riots, sandstorm).

Given the price of this lens, I'd consider it a throwaway under such conditions. If it gets damaged, just buy another one. Were it a Nikkor 80-400 VR (€1700) I'd say get a B+W KR.1A for it at €75 or so, for a €300 lens such a filter is overkill if you want it only as protection.

At f/8 or up you can use the hood over the entire zoomrange, which protects against people bumping into you. A filter won't protect you from sand getting into the mechanism during a sandstorm, and it's unlikely you'll be using it in a riot where someone could throw a bucket of paint over it.

I have a filter on an expensive pro grade 28-70 lens, but that's mainly because the filter slightly warms the pictures as well and that lens is exceptionally cool (iow, I just like the effect of the filter). And for that one I did get an expensive filter of course, having seen the negative effects on picture clarity cheap filters produce (I now keep cheap filters only as emergency replacements for lenscaps in case I loose those).
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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Thu Dec 26, 2002 8:20 pm

OK

You convinced me!!!

I will keep the filters in case i go to the beach or when it´s very windy.

Good weather up there? Here in Madrid is very cool, 12ºC this morning, no cold at all, strange but very welcome temperature!!! and no rain at the momento, too bad Barajas Airport is so bored! :-(

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RE: Voigtlander Ultron AF 100 -400 F4.5-6.7

Fri Dec 27, 2002 4:06 am

rain, clouds, temperature 7-10 during the day. No, not inviting weather at all.
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