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Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:22 am

I know that Colin Work made a post about how canon is rumored to be getting rid of the D60 for the D90 (or some type of new camera). His post turned into brand bashing. Does anyone here have more information on the new camera? Like when it would be released and on store shelves and any other info!

Please no brand bashing!
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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:52 am

The facts as far as can be ascertained are that Canon HAS discontinued production. Dealers seem to be reporting that existing orders will be filled, but Canon has requested that no new orders be accepted.

The replacement(s) will probably be announced in Februrary at PMA, but for now Canon is saying nothing. I have now seen "informed" rumours describing 3 different cameras, ranging from an EOS 3 like body with 9mp, 45 focus points and a 1.3 crop factor priced between the d60 and the 1Ds, a "plastic" camera with a 2x crop factor (!) (smaller CMOS) priced around £1000 and something in the D60 range with improved AF and exposure.

Personally I think 3 cameras would be lot to expect, and the rumours probably simply reflect various people's wish list. But if, as seems to be the case, you can't go and buy a "mid price" Canon DSLR right now, I can't believe Canon can afford to keep us waiting long! Further since Canon seemed able to sell as many D60s as they could churn out, I figure there must be some significant cost/feature benefit to the new model to warrant killing the D60 so quickly.

Mind you, others have suggested that Canon was actually loosing money on every D60 they made ...

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:06 am

In French

http://www.photim.com/Infos/UneInfo.asp?N=747

Translated by Google (LOL Gun actually means Canon)

It is official: Gun EOS D60 leaves the scene!


Colossal surprise this morning: career of the numerical reflex camera of Gun, the EOS D60, is already finished, hardly more than six months after its real arrival on the market!

Gun-France has just assure us officially the rumour which had circulated for a few days already: the D60 Gun stops, its manufacture is stopped and there will be no more delivery, stock being definitively exhausted!

The hare picked up by our English fellow-member dpreview.com was thus quite real: D60 leaves the scene! If you need D60 quickly, you without waiting in the retailers precipitate who have some in stock bus Canon does not deliver more.

There will be of course a substitute but, according to Gun-France, it will not be revealed before the LDC, i.e. next March.



*** Lanalyse Hunter dImages.

With the first access, this news appears incredible: D60 was revealed last February, at the time of the LDC, but it na marketed that little before lété. Its end of unexpected career represents an absolute record: hardly more than six months!

This information, from now on official, confirms the new practices of the Japanese industrialists who, since ten years, completely re-examined the way of manufacturing their products.

The time of the chains, which spent two years to be started and which sarrêtaient after several years, when the market did not manage any more to absorb their products is completed: from now on, one launches series, with quantities programmed in advance. If the product is sold badly, it is balanced when it arrives at the end of the lifetime. If it is sold well, one activates the startup following, but one starts again only exceptionally the chain!

This strategy makes it possible the marks to be very reactive on a market in complete change. But it goes against waiting of the consumers who would like that the products are durable.

One will remember the case of the Gun RT, for which Canon had clearly announced a programmed quantity, followed dune second series.
It was also the case of the Gun EOS D30, which disappeared from the market a few weeks before lannonce of D60: Gun had manufactured a série, it was past in time prévu& another model took the continuation.

Gun had thus again programmed a fixed quantity of D60 which, having been a success larger than envisaged, is exhausted before the arrival of the new models!


*** In practice, which awaits us

Official fault dinfo, we are obviously reduced by it to the assumptions. The disappearance of D60 is confirmed, which means that its replacement is imminent. But, on this point, Gun-France does not say word!
All the eyes thus turn to the LDC, which will naura place, this year, quen March!

On our side, we would see well larrivée of TWO products: a numerical reflex camera very general public and a numerical reflex camera more musclé.

D60 was built on an already old mechanical basis and which na more course. We cannot forget our reaction when we discovered lEOS-300v with his enormous reserved screen arrière& with laffichage dinfos of catch of sights. If Gun decided to graft its C-Mos on the mechanical basis very reduced of the 300v, one would obtain without surprised a EOS 300d quon imagines already at bottom price!

Of course, such an apparatus would not give satisfaction to the experts and an open hole appears between this hypothetical 300d and the very professional EOS 1Ds. There would be then a place of choice for a remake of D60 (D40, D50, D300ds??? the bets are open!) who would take again the general characteristics of them, but with a higher rate and a more powerful mode gonflage dimages!

Sil is confirmed that the numerical reflex cameras are condemned to such short commercial pursuits, many consumers could be discouraged. For much, lachat dun reflex camera is still regarded as an investment and, although dun death produced nempêche not those which are in service to continue to function, this infernal rate is, for lamator, vexatious that the firms cannot be unaware of.


 
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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:28 pm

Why it is so hard to make a decision? One starts to think about buying a D60 and now what? Go to the shop and buy? wait for 2nd hand equipment? Wait for a more expensive D90?

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:06 pm


Luis...everyone...

People who forever wait for the technological "holy grail" will wait for ever.

Technological advances happen so fast these days and new products are brought to market so quickly there is always (it seems) the promise of something better tomorrow.

However, anyone thinking about a DSLR purchase should ask themself this question...

Q. If Chris Sheldon and Gary Watt can product absolutely stunning images with a mere 3Mp D30, why do I need anything more/better/more expensive?

At the end of the day there will always be pressing reasons why some photographers might need the higher resolution of a Fuji S2 or a Canon 1Ds, but for killer shots that can still be amongst the best here you can buy a perfectly good camera today, for not a lot of cash, and enjoy it now, while everyone else who chooses to wait and wonder can only stand by and watch.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Sometimes you have have to draw a line in the sand and make a stand.

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:38 pm

What Canon is doing is brilliant from a marketing point of view. They made a good product with good demand. Then quit making it to sell you the next (and you can be pretty sure more expensive) model. The dilemma is.....do you buy a $2000 discontinued model now? Or wait another 4 months or longer to see if the next model is as good as expected? If you wait, and the new model is not within reach or all it's cracked up to be, then you have missed the boat unless you want to buy used. If you jump now on the discontinued model, and the new one is "all that and a bag of chips" you will kick yourself for not waiting.

Dean has hit the nail on the head! Draw a line and make a stand.

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:15 am

Q. If Chris Sheldon and Gary Watt can product absolutely stunning images with a mere 3Mp D30, why do I need anything more/better/more expensive?

Because you can. If we all had this mindset we'd be living in a wood cabin with no electricity, no running water, no indoor bathrooms and pinhole box cameras. Most want better, even if it's not required. Why did they buy a D30 when I know they can they pretty much make the same stunning images with a Pentax K1000? (OK, well maybe not the 6000mm shots but you get my point)

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:38 am


Michael,

I refer in my post to DSLRs only.

I'm sure one day we'll all be using super 3D full motion video capture devices the size of a matchbox - a step worth taking.

Progress as you cite it is indeed largely because "we can". But can you really get a "better" image for display here from a 6, 12, 14 (or more) mega-pixel DSLR...because if you can, go for it. If you can't, then my point stands!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:47 am

I think you are assuming that the only reason someone would by a DSLR is to upload images to airliners.net


But can you really get a "better" image for display here...


Some of us sell our work. It pays to have the best equipment you can afford.

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:03 am


"I think you are assuming that the only reason someone would by a DSLR is to upload images to airliners.net"

Not really.

Like I said in my original post, there are of course those who will always need the best there is for professional work or to produce large prints.

I remain to be convinced of the need for anything "better" than a D30 in most photographers hands.

Besides which there are ultimately many other limiting factors that will offset any "improvements" in the camera hardware and software. Again, for pro's, not a problem...but for everyone else....mmmmmm...

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:34 am

I can't afford a D60, but I don't want to loose the quality level, I'm always amazed by the smoth skies without grain and the incredible detail that DSLR's can give, specially on shadows. I feel sick everytime I look at a photo of mine and think how far could I have gone if I had shot it with a DSLR.

I'm afraid of the D60 autofocus but the image quality is tempting me very strongly.

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P.S. I don't want a DSLR to upload to Airliners.net, that's not the way I do it.

 
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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:03 am

Dean,

Trust me I see your point BUT if you want to use "better image for display here" why even get a D30? I've had a few shots accepted with my 2MP Minolta Dimage X ultra-compact digital camera. See my point....

Yes, you'll probably end up with the same/similar "a.net photo" with a D30 than you would a D90 (or whatever) but I don't know of anyone going out to buy a $2000 (+ tons more $$$ for accessories) DSLR to use exclusively for a.net.

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:09 am

Dean, nice web page, great shots  Smile What are you currently using for equipment?
 
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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:10 am

After some emails change with a very well known photo equipment seller website, they told me that the new models to replace the D30 and D60 will be the D40 and D80, but they don't have more information on these new models.

For what is worth...

Luis

 
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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Sat Jan 18, 2003 8:07 am

The thing that I find most amazing here is that Canon have stopped taking orders for a D60, yet the replacement spec/price/availability is still a mystery known only to high ranking people at Canon. It is really bad when the dealers can't even say what will come out and when.

That leaves the customer with two options - wait an undisclosed time and hope that the released product will be in his or her price range, or buy a D100 / S2 and invest heavily in Nikon glass, which would result in being a Nikon customer for life.

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:33 am

I ordered a D60 and I just imagined this kind of scenario happening, and it did. But I imagined the D60 was close to being replaced anyway. I just do not cuddle up to Canon´s tactic of discontinuing something that is in high demand - and might run out in days maybe? - to replace it with something that will only be announced officially in a month and be on the shelves long after that. Technological issues aside, it does not sound right.
 
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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:08 am

It is all a Canon plot. They started with the D30, moved through the D60 and now announce a D70, 80 or 90. Well gosh golly.... pretty soon even Canon will have a quality D100.  Smile  Smile

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RE: Canon D60 Rumor - New D90

Sun Jan 19, 2003 4:39 am

Steve,

As we all know, the higher the number, the lower quality it is. The World's best is the EOS 1 series  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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