BartiniMan
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Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:40 am

Hi guys,
I remember reading a thread about this some time ago, and I couldnt find it through the search option. Which ISO gives the best quality photos (prints), I remember reading that 100 was best. But whenever Im at the shops I always find that the ISO 400 films are the most expensive.
So which one is best for prints.

Thanks for your help,
BartiniMan
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:03 pm

Generally the lower asa/iso films have the finest grain and will give you the nicest prints. But this can vary from film to film. Much will depend upon the type of shooting you will do and the lighting conditions. In both film and digital I try not to use anything above 200, but that is personal preference.

Tony
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:21 pm

I use 100iso most often. But it does depend.
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:56 pm

Anything under ISO 200 is good. Some people use 400 ISO film and they have pictures here on a.net. If you do a search and talk to some of the photographers, mabye you can see what they use.
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BartiniMan
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:32 pm

Its strange that you guys use 100 ISO. Reason is that when I check the films at the local store, the Kodak films are 100, 200, 400 and 800 and every time the higher ISO is more expensive. At the back of the box where they have the little pictures showing what the film is good for, the 400 usually fits all descriptions while the 100 only is good for "sunny" photos.

Hope you guys understand my extremely amateur questions.

One more question, which brand of film do you guys use, and which is best for prints?

Thanks again,
BartiniMan
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:16 pm

Hi BartiniMan,

Usually that back of the box stuff is more fitting to be applied to a cheap point and shoot camera- since you have no control over shutter speed, aperature, etc- the higher the ISO, the faster the film will expose (record light that is let in by the shutter on a given shutter speed, which usually can't be adjusted with a point and shoot obviously...).

With an SLR type camera body- you are able to select shutter speed, aperature and such to come up with the right combination of proper exposure or what is your desire.

I hope this makes sense, I'm tired as heck!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

g'night,
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:18 pm

Almost forgot. I use Kodak Gold 100 and 200 which has always been quite nice. I hear some of that Fuji 200 is good as well (can't think of the exact name right now- pretty common film around a.net I believe).

...Serge
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:10 pm

Print films generally come with ISO/ASA ratings of 100, 200, 400, 800, 1000, and most recently 1600. The higher the ASA number, the more sensitive the film is to light, which will allow higher speeds which in turn reduces the probability of producing blurry pictures. But nothing is free – there is a tradeoff for that higher speed capability. The higher the light sensitivity, the lower the image quality will be. Films with ASA ratings of 200 or higher (dubbed “fast” film) will have noticeably more grain, less sharpness and poorer color performance than ASA 100 or lower (called “slow”) films. Aviation photographers will almost always prefer image quality, so ASA 100 is the film of choice for them.

Slide film also comes with different ASA ratings. As more professional photographers (not just aviation photographers) prefer to use slide film and often desire the highest possible image quality, slide films with even lower ASA ratings (and higher image quality) are available, the lowest ASA rating commonly available being ASA 25.

BartiniMan, the reason that you see the higher ASA films as more expensive is that most people are looking for print film for their pocket cameras, for use at home or at the beach, often with a flash. They could care less about image quality. As pocket cameras generally have small lens apertures, speed is at a premium. So 100-speed film would not be the best solution for them.

But if you are trying for a higher level of photography than party pictures, I would not go any higher than 100. I only use 50 and 100 myself.

Cheers,

Charles
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:37 pm

Hi!

I use Fuji Superia 100 for prints, and Fuji Sensia 200 for slides.

The lower the ISO number is, the better quality you get, but sometimes it´s very cloudy, your lens is not a pro lens and it is not very "luminous",by using a long lens you need a very fast shutter speed in order to avoid image shaking..., then you may need a more sensitive film.

Try different ISOs, it´s very sunny --> use ISO 100; it´s not sunny but not very dark either--> ISO 200; cloudy and dark conditions --> ISO 400.


Regards

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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:56 pm

For night shots I use 800 speed Kodak Max film. It works great IMHO, although I do get some grain I feel the grain actually adds to the shot depending on what I am shooting. It is really the lowest speed I can go without having to use bulb mode (I have a max shutter speed of 30").
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:01 pm

For the Gold 100 lovers, stock up while you can!
Kodak has discontinued all consumer printfilms of 100 and 200 ASA ratings last year, now recommends 800 as the standard film with 400 for extremely bright situations (beach vacation at noon) and 1600 for indoors use.

Personally, I use Fuji Velvia (50 slide) or Provia (100 slide, sometimes pushed to 200) and rarely NPH (400 print) and Reala (100 print).
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:05 pm

Kodak has discontinued all consumer printfilms of 100 and 200 ASA ratings last year, now recommends 800 as the standard film with 400 for extremely bright situations (beach vacation at noon) and 1600 for indoors use.

Is that for real?!?

So Kodak has finally gone and done it. If that's the attitude coming from Kodak, we might as well rename them.

Kodak: The film company for amateurs. All others please call Fuji.

Charles
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:53 pm

I personal prefer/use the Kodak 160VC film.

Color is very nice, in the past I used the Kodak 400 film for prints but I found it to grainy. I have some 400 iso photo's in the database

I suggest not to use higher ISO then 200, with a SLR camera
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:23 am

Thanks a million guys, I really appreciate it. This helped immensely.

BartiniMan
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:50 pm

yes Charles, looks like they've done it.
The 100 and 200 Gold films are still listed on the website, but the boxes look decidedly old compared to the new "Kodak Max Versatility" series which seems to be the current production line and consists of a 400 and 800 film only.

According to the website:
"MAX Film gives you great pictures anywhere, any time. It delivers sharp, colorful images in a wide variety of conditions – fast action or no action; outdoors or indoors. If you currently use 100 or 200 speed film, MAX 400 film will improve up to 25 percent of your pictures."

Most stores don't carry the lower speed films anymore, Kodak wants everyone to go to 400+ for the above reason.
Actually, from what the owner of my favourite store told me, the amount of underexposed pictures from the average P&S camera when using 100 or 200 ASA film is huge, and users often blame the film or lab instead of their own ineptitude or their camera. So stores won't give them slow film which cuts into sales and film manufacturers don't want to be associated with huge numbers of failed pictures either so they don't advertise slow film (the average person goes to a store and wants "some film for the vacation" without ever asking for speed or brand).
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:36 pm

Not sure where "Jwenting" got his information about Kodak 100 being discontinued last year. Kodak is still manufacturing this film, still shows it on their US webpage, and an e-mail response from Kodak confirms that they have no plans to discontinue it in the forseeable future. Go to K-Mart or Target, they have stacks of it on the shelves.
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:27 pm

Weird, heard it from several sources (including a store owner who sells Kodak films. They've not taken delivery of Gold 100 for a long time). Maybe it was a plan that got cancelled or it referred to one particular line of film only.
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BartiniMan
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:12 pm

If taking photos from the aircraft, when nearing the runway and every thing is passing by pretty fast, will 100 ISO be appropriate. Or should I opt for the higher ISO which is intended for action shots?
I also cannot "afford" to change films for 'these shots and then these shots'. Im an amateur who is flying soon and would like my photos to turn out good. I used 100 ISO on a trip last year, and on takeoff at dusk I shot out the window at "action" setting on my Pentax Mz-50, and all the photos came out blurry (a lot).

All this help has already been beneficial. Thanks to everyone.

BartiniMan
 
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Sat Feb 01, 2003 10:13 pm

Lugonza_2001 - have you considered reversing your film choice?

Superia 100 is a fine film - but Sensia 100 is better

Conversly, Superior 200 is nearly as good as 100 whereas Sensia 200 quality drops off markedly.

In general terms, print film retains quality at higher ISOs whereas (with the exception of Provia) slide film quality drops off markedly at high ISO.

In short, try Sensia 100 for slides and Superia 200 for prints

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Which ISO Is Best

Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:17 pm

I would recommend Reala 100 for prints, very fine grain!

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