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Sat Feb 01, 2003 10:25 am

Hello fellows!

I am seeking help and advise for the follwing photos:

Rejected for not being level:
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?1044004211:ANC

I worked on this one, looked level to me. Let me know what I should do.

Rejected for bad quality:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?1044002171:ANC
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?1043913550:ANC
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?1043831176:ANC
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=30786

The above rejection leave me puzzled. What would you guys recommend doing, scan at higher resolution or appeal?

Thanks for your time in helping me out!

-Dmitry
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2003 10:36 am

I agree with the rejections...

The first, check the lightpoles, I can assure you that the picture is not level.

No.2 is very grainy, and doesn't appear to be level (check the mountains in the background, they are going downhill!!).
no.3 is grainy again, with jaggies and the shadow on the tail detracts from the picture, plus the titles are not visible because of a bad light reflection.
no.4, is grainy again and check the wing on the darkside of the aircraft, oversharpened and with jaggies.
no.5, very 'blue' tone (all the previous had a purple tone too), has been oversharpened again (check rego) and the vertical stabilizers have jaggies.

Regards

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Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:42 am

The majority look grainy. I've been bittin by the reject bug a lot lately, I dunno what to tell you man.
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:17 pm

Hey there Dimitry....... misery loves company.

Got a few rejections myself this week and also for the same badquality. Shot DIGITAL and they say to re-scan it due to poor scan quality. Jeezzzes, not sure where to go myself. Sometimes a full frame 2MP image is accepted, and sometime it is rejected for poor quality. Same camera, same resolution. Go figure.

As to yours.

Beech shot does nothing for me. Don't like the shadow on the tail which detracts, also the building in the back seems to dominate the frame visually.

Fedex I would rotate about 1 degree or 1.2 degrees CW.

Alaska. Looks great after I clone the light pole out of the frame. Of course we KNOW that is not allowed,  Yeah sure You could also try a chainsaw late one night..... remove the pole that way.  Smile

UPS and Atlas. They images seem flat to me. I took a look at the levels in Photoshop and think you could do some work there. The photos are a bit flat and grey looking. Also check the color cast in them. Have you run the A.net monitor calibration program? Good to keep checking periodically.
There's some grain in the photos. What film speed were you using? Or perhaps you oversharpened it a bit much which can also accentuate the grain. One thing I tried was to mask select the sky then gausian blurr it to hide the grain. Feather the edges of the mask so it blends nicely. Makes the grainy look disappear. It's not as noticeable on the aircraft, and you can't blurr that out.  Smile
But both are nice photos. Nice location you have. Love that background with the mountains.

Anyway. Wish the UPS and Atlas had been accepted. Oh well....... keep shooting.

Steve
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2003 4:16 pm

Thanks for the tips Dan, Justin and Steve.

I will fix up the Fed-Ex one, and try to rescan the others.

Well, I think the Beech looks good, nothing I could have done about the reflection.  Sad

Steve, I used an ISO of 64 for the Atals and UPS photos. I'll try to play around with them, I know I can get them to acceptable quality - have before, no reason I can't now.

Thanks!

-Dmitry
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:52 pm

I think we're seeing some classic winter sun problems here:

1 - contrasts - highlights are good, but shadows are totally blocked up with no detail. A little experimentation with curves to lift the shadows a little could work wonders

2 - in general, snow is white (I'd have thought you'd be familiar with this stuff Dimitry  Smile) but surprisingly difficult to record as white. Yes, some sky reflection will tend to give a blue cast - but you need to keep this under control

3 - I suspect your pics are underexposed by perhaps 1/2 a stop - again snow can play havoc with your metering.

Steve - the badscan is a pretty generic (too generic?) lable for poor image quality whether from scan or digi. It really refers to problems due to the digital processing of the image. In the case of a digicam, resolution is not everything. A big problem is noise (esp. in the shadows) and exposure seems to have a big affect on how much noise the sensor generates ... get it even a little wrong and you will start to see undesirable effects. In camera sharpening can also cause problems depending on the subject, lighting etc.

Cheers,

Colin
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Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:54 pm

Photopilot -

"Jeezzzes, not sure where to go myself. Sometimes a full frame 2MP image is accepted, and sometime it is rejected for poor quality. Same camera, same resolution. Go figure."

Well I figure that your shots are bordeline and whether they get accepted or not depends [AS EXPLAINED A THOUSAND TIMES ON THIS FORUM] on:

* Rarity of the subject [and this is database rarity not actual rarity]
* Composition
* Aesthetic qualities

If you don't like the decisions then appeal but don't jump on one of these threads and shoot your mouth off, please stick to the issue in hand.


thanks,


J


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Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:08 pm

Dimitry.

You know that 14/32 sloaps downward to the right in that phot from the viewing point at Pt. Woronzoff. I know it does. I don't think we are going to be able to convince those guys that it does.

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Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:59 am

L-188, there is no convincing to be done I can assure you, the photo IS NOT LEVEL. I'm surprised that after the topic and everything on levelling photos you still didn't pick this one out dmitry, it is not level...

The colour is off on your photos, it is easily rectifiable. Just playing about with colour levels on photoshop...

here:

http://www.eggd.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rotate.jpg

rotate the photo, using the measure tool on the lightpoles, then using the arbituary (sp?) in 'rotate canvas' menu... in this case it was 1.07% rotated..

then the colour, this and most of your pictures have a pretty bad magenta tint, so sliding it more towards the green fixes the problem, of course i only did it quickly but there is already an improvement...

http://www.eggd.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/colour.jpg

then the final result:



of course the colour can still be better, but LOOK!! The runway is still not level, but the picture is, marvellous!!!
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 4:03 am

And dont forget to get rid of the borders after roatating the picture like shown above Big grin
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 4:49 am

Peter - shut the hell up  Laugh out loud  Smile  Big thumbs up.

The border wouldn't have been there if you were starting by scratch (that was the copyright border)...

Dan  Smile
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 5:10 am

Thanks guys, I get the point.

Coling I was shooting in Shutter Priority, I don't remeber what teh shutter speed was, probably around 200 or 250. I alos compensated - 1/3 of a stop.
Yes, I am used to snow, usually plenty of it - this year is really weak.

Shawn, That is true that 14/32 slopes down, especially at the beginning, but I am a beleiver in level background - thats what counts. The airplane can look like its going off the cliff, but if the background (poles, buildings, etc) are level, then its a beauty.

My early days:


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(flat)

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(this has been commented as the Tower of Pisa inf the background, man isn't ANC a awesome place!)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I just have been having trouble lately on this tele shots of the Fed-Ex/UPS parking photos. This one took me a while (I usually upload these in the middle of the night, that might be a factor?):


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Dan, thanks for the tips - like I stated above I upload these sometime when your having lunch, so I usually off.......but without helpful guys here on the forum, I'd be confused.

-Dmitry
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 6:52 am

Why did you compensate - 1/3 stop????
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:23 pm

To Screener Jason Taperell:

I am sorry you feel that I was "shooting my mouth off" in my recent comments on this thread. Quite obviously and despite the fact that I am a full-time photo-editor/photographer/photojournalist/graphic designer/aviation photographer who has been shooting longer than you have been alive, I don't have the skills and talents you have. I also assume that my long list of national and international awards are somewhat worthless and must have been a matter of simple luck. Thank god for autofocus, autoexposure and the occasional hail-Mary or I wouldn't have a decent photo at all ! ! ! ! !

I offered Dimitry my honest comments and suggestions on improving his photos (including a tongue-in-cheek comment on the light-pole) and don't appreciate your mouthing off comments.

In addition, having edited and chosen for publication literally thousands of photos per year, I do in fact find some rejection notices somewhat ambiguous in their nature. I have never delved into "screener bashing" (until your comments) but expressed what I term "fair comment" on what is sometimes a mysterious process in its appearance. I don't upload lots of same-old, same-old photos where there are hundreds in the database, but rather look for photos that are not represented in either angle or view and of different types. What's the challenge in the 10 zillionth photo of a 737?

So please, don't confuse me with someone who gives a damn what you think or accuse me of.

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Sun Feb 02, 2003 5:04 pm

Jan, the reason I compensated a - third stop was because I was advised to do so in snowy conditions and when the sun is shinning hard to give the slide a richer look - otherwise I have been into photography for exactly 1 year, I did take a photo class in order to get the basics strait, but compensation was not covered.

Possibly you could give me a lecture on compensations, and how much and in what type of conditions to use it? Would certainly appreciate it!

This is the shot that brought up the talk about compensation, because my light meter gets tricked by all the white.


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(and notive the flat look the plane has)

Thanks guys, really appreciate all the help.........I'll make it one day.

-Dmitry
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:00 pm

Dimitry - be wary of help in terms of exposure - people can give you guidelines, but advice like "use 1/3rd stop compensation" is not too helpful. It all depends ... exactly how much snow is in the picture? How bright is the sky etc. etc. (very few of us shoot at your latitude!).

The fact is, yes, you probably do need to compensate, but only you can determine how much. I would suggest instead that you a) invest in a grey card and take your meter readings off that and b) bracket your exposures

In this (and only in this way) will you build up the experience that allows you to assess a scene and say, "hmm a little compensation is in order here".

Having said that, I think you've come a long way real quick, and you seem to have the right attitude (asking, trying again, asking) - but there is a lot to learn, and only some of it can be picked up from books and courses. I've always felt that if you don't get a few rejections from A.net, you're not pushing yourself hard enough - much of the fun in photography is stretching the possibilities and trying new techniques. A.net is a really useful feedback loop that gives you an objective opinion as to what does and doesn't work and I think can really accelerate the learning process.

Cheers,

Colin

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Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:45 pm

Ckw's advise is good as usual.
My point was: In conditions with sunlit snow, the basic compensation is +, not minus. Hence my question.
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 8:17 pm

So please, don't confuse me with someone who gives a damn what you think or accuse me of.

Which we would have believed had you not put the biggest irrelevant "I love myself" tirade before it thus proving to us that you not only give a damn, you obviously took offence.






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Sun Feb 02, 2003 8:25 pm

Thanks so much Colin! BTW, I do have a grey card - but haven't used it for aviation photography (used it for my photo class when I shot B&W). I will definately take a reading next time I am out shooting, but as far as I remember it does not give a compensation reading - or am I wrong? I know it does very well with shutter speed and aperture - but thats about it.

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Sun Feb 02, 2003 8:53 pm

D

I scanned my slides using USM in Photoshop following settings

500%
0.2 Radius
0 Threshold

Try this, I use 0.8 radius, it just too much and not clear/sharp as 0.2. This will give you a less grainy yet much sharper in finer detail part of the plane.

I tried this and get about 80-90% of the slides scanned accepted using S20

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Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:42 pm

Yes, exposing shots in snow can be extremely difficult. There was a really good article in a digital photography magazine on how to get your snow shots looking exposed, but I lost the magazine... I had a lot of trouble in Canada, but I blame it on my camera lol  Smile.

Anyway, what I suggest is you have a look at your surroundings, if the sun is high it will probably reflect off the snow more and you may need to under-expose the picture (but then the aircraft may be underexposed if its not in full sun). If the sun is lower then you shouldn't compensate, and if it is at sunset i'd over compensate by +1/3 or whatever.

Trial and error I guess, the light conditions are probably completely different in ANC compared to BRS so.... Cloudy i'd almost certainly recommend you over-expose by 1 stop...

Regards

Dan...

 
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Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:02 am

I have never so far had to underexpose in snow!! Overexpose on the other hand..
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Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:33 am

I'm with Jan on this Big grin

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:45 am

Hi all,

I have not shot aviation shots in snow but when we had a snow-fall here in SE England recently I went out to take some wintery shots I found myself normally used + 1/3, sometimes 0 but normally + 1/3.

Dmitry, the beauty of a DSLR Big grin Shoot a shot - 1/3, 0 + 1/3 and see within 3 seconds which is best (sorry to tease! Big grin)

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:53 am

By far the easiest answer it to use an incident light meter. Whether it is digital, film, negative or transparency, the only sure way to get predetermined results is incident light measurement.

Snow itself can have different levels of reflectivity. Is there an icy surface, corn snow etc.? All have differing reflective values that no compensation value can account for.

Go incident or keep guessing. Educated guesses maybe, but no certainty.

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 2:17 am

Photopilot - read my post again. Just referring to the fact that you were just stating the same old crap again "My photos were prepared the same way - one got in, the other didn't, you must all, therefore, be stupid.". As you'll see, I made no reference to your other comments, their validity or otherwise, and also made no reference to your abilities.

For the record, I know you don't give a damn but I do. I still screen shots for this site after all the shit that's thrown at us every single day, I guess that means I must give a damn about something.

J
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Mon Feb 03, 2003 3:02 am

Dimitry - Steve is correct - an incident meter is the ultimate solution ... I was assuming you didn't have one, and I don't think it is absolutely necessary (I do use one myself for portrait work, but tend not to for aviation).

I think there is a general confusion as to what "compensation" is and when it should be used. All it actually does is offset the reading of your meter by a small amount over or under - there is no correct formula for a particualr set of conditions becuase it will depend on how your meter reads the scene. This will vary according to your metering pattern (spot, partial, average or evaluative), and, in particular with evaluative, the brand of camera.

Compensation can only be correctly applied if you have established a "baseline" exposure without compensation. So, let's say you take a grey card or incident reading for a scene which indicates f4.5 at 1/250th. The camera meter reading is f5.6 at 1/250th. You could either 1) set the camera exposure system to manual and dial in the correct settings OR set 1/2 stop exposure compensation. The latter is often more convenient, esp. if you are taking a series of shots in the same light. However, if you want to be really accurate, you really need to check exposure for each shot.

Personally my prefered technique (esp. when using telephotos) is to point the camera at a reference subject which I think is close to neutral grey (a patch of grass, concrete surface, back of hand etc.) and IN THE SAME LIGHT as the real subject and lock that exposure reading into the camera for the real shot.

Cheers,

Colin

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:43 am

Jan - are you sure? If you take a picture when the sun is at its highest and you take it with half snow/half sky or some other object then if you don't use spot metering and you don't underexpose you will end up with blown out highlights...

Trust me i've tried it loads of times Big grin

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:18 am

Dan - I think Jan is correct - in a typical snowy scene you will probably need to use an exposure greater than that indicated by an averaging meter reading.

Remember, the meter is trying to achieve an even 18% grey. The bright snow will fool the meter into requiring less light cause it wants to make the snow greyish - in order to get the snow to record the correct bright white, you will need to allow more light than is indicate, hence the need to "overexpose" the scene.

Having said all that, some modern evaluative meters are pretty clever at taking all of this into account - in some ways I think they're counter productive because whereas with an old fashioned averaging meter you knew exactly what was going on, these days you are never sure what the damn things are thinking  Smile.

Cheers,

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:24 am

Maybe its my POS camera then  Laugh out loud
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:52 am

Thanks fellows!

Colin, your explanation cleared up a lot for compensation. I will try "A" mode next time, and then shoot all manual strait from the Grey Card.

-Dmitry

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:25 am

D,

While I use a handheld meter as well, there have been the times when the meter for whatever reason was not available, in such a case I will use something that mother nature blessed all of us with.......the palms of our hands. This like a grey card will approximate 18% grey.

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:07 pm

Jan,

I'm with ya here... if you're shooting in snow, your camera automatically wants to shoot at a higher shutter-speed because of the bright snow... if you bracket "-1/3", it will make your camera shoot at an even higher shutter-speed, thus under-exposing your slide even further... the ONLY solution thus is to bracket "+1/3" to balance it out.
But be careful when shooting a dark aircraft in snow... sometimes a compensation won't be needed.


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Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:54 pm

*********To All Fellow Posters*************

I would like to apologise to other forum posters for the apparent "slagging" match that seems to have occured between myself and screener Jason Taperell.

I have taken that part of this thread and moved it to private emails with CC to Johan to keep him in the loop while we solve this issue.

thank you
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Mon Feb 03, 2003 3:07 pm

The reason those slides were probably rejected for bad quality is because of underexposure - I should have made a + 1/3 compensation.

Thanks for all the help!

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:04 pm

Stephen,

That is good to hear, I asked the moderators to delete the post but unfortunately they felt it was OK to leave online. I'm glad to see that you also feel that it is an inappropriate place to have this discussion.

I hope the moderators take note.




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Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:08 pm

Something I learned taking pictures in snow with two different cameras:
- with my "normal" film camera (Canon EOS 30), I always had to OVERexpose, meaning to compensate by +1/3 or (normally) more.
- With the Sony F707 I rather have to UNDERexpose by -1/3, otherwise the bright areas will be washed out. This gets even worse, when I try to take a pic of an all-white aircraft.

BTW, Dmitry, I simply love your ANC-shots. If only I could convince my wife, that Alaska is a wonderful touristic place with lots of beaches ......  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:41 pm

I think what we're beginning to see here is a situation where digicams are responding in a different way to film cameras. It may well be that Sony (and others?) have programmed in a metering profile for snowy/very bright scenes because of the poor response of digital sensors to overexposure.

This probably goes to show how important it is to make your own meter readings and learn your own camera's quirks rather than rely on a general rule of thumb.

Cheers,

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Mon Feb 03, 2003 7:39 pm

I find from the shots I have seen the F707 tends to be a bit brighter/over expose or have blown highlights more than other digital cameras, although I have to admit I have never used an F707 or seena RAW file from an F707 so cant fully comment

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Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:26 am

Hello Gerado!

Thanks for the kind comments!

Alaska is a wonderful place! We have tons of beachs with lots of fish heads laying around - just wonderful!  Big grin We are almost like St. Martin!  Big grin

But really, we have many many beautiful tourist attractions! If you every come up, just let me know!

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Tue Feb 04, 2003 8:07 am

Gerardo - I guess you are in the same position as me. I always have to underexpose snow shots just like aircraft shots in low sunlight, just because my camera is metering something other than the bright parts (sky, tree's etc..).

Practice makes perfect, and with A digital camera you can learn in maybe 2 or 3 frames whereas with film/slides it may take 2 or 3 films (and in my case that'd be 4 or 5 months just to learn something that would take maybe less than a minute with a digital camera)..

Dan  Smile
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2003 5:44 pm

Dan, what type of digi you using?

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Tue Feb 04, 2003 7:39 pm

Dmitry, you're welcome! Of course, I woudn't really mention that part with the "fish heads laying around" to my wife. Hope you understand  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Laugh out loud

Dan, with my F707, on one hand, I had really to adopt new techniques sometimes, on the other hand, as you say, you see the result in a matter of seconds.

The same happens with White Blance for example. Never really know, what to do ....

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RE: Rejected Photos - Please Advise - Im Lost.

Wed Feb 05, 2003 4:49 am

Gerado, yes, I said that purposely..........no, but really, Alaska is an awesome place - especially in the summer! Nice and warm, and almost 24 hrs of daylight! You could spot about 20 of those hours in a day...! Smile

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RE: Rejected Photos - Please Advise - Im Lost.

Wed Feb 05, 2003 5:20 am

Dmitry, I dont think I could stand around an airport fence for 20 hours  Wow!  Laugh out loud
Besides, my camera would run out of batteries, or I'd get hungry Big grin

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RE: Rejected Photos - Please Advise - Im Lost.

Wed Feb 05, 2003 5:54 am

D,

I really shoot take a trip to Alaska sometime, that nice scenery in your slides can't be beaten Big grin, and 20 hours of shooting in one day, yummy Big thumbs up

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