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It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:23 pm

Hi guys,

Every so often, I see pictures that really make me feel sad...

There are so many photographers out there who have such a high potential, but they cannot afford the worlds most expensive equipment every year, and so they are stuck with what they have. But they make the most of it. My best example is Luis Rosa, who has spent most of his time here at A.net whilst shooting prints. I'd say he is probably one of the most inventive photographers here but he was barely noticed by the masses (of course, some photographers noticed) just because he shot prints.

But now, he has a Canon D60, and i'm pretty sure soon he'll get that photo which will make him one of the most famous photographers here. I know its coming, you only have to look at what he has achieved so far to see that he has the potential, and this potential can be released with his new camera.. Not because it makes him a better photographer, he is a great photographer anyway, but just because the photos you take look as good as they should do...


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Now on the other hand, we have a situation that breaks my heart.... Before anyone says anything, I am well aware of the irony of the situation, I did want a D30 when I started. But keep in mind i'd been shooting prints/slides for nearly a year before I could afford to buy one (nearly). Anyway, so many beginners now go straight on to D60's or D100's or S2's. People who have no photographic experience, none of the software and no knowledge. I've seen so many results from these digital SLR's by beginners that don't even look as good as shots that have come out of my camera, simply because the person behind the lens is treating it like a point and shoot camera.

Getting a rejection shouldn't even be a situation that you should encounter if you own £2000 worth of equipment, unless its a very special shot (1/4 second rotate shot or something), but it happens... I feel so saddened that there are photographers out there who have the knowledge, the talent etc and its just not realized because they simply cannot afford to fork out huge amounts of money at the drop of a hat. Whereas some people buy these as their first camera, and just press the shutter....

Ok my rant is over, i'll go back to bed now  Sad.

Regards

Dan (starting too sound like an old bastard  Laugh out loud)
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:49 pm

I have heard that AOM sell one-way tickets to Havana
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:21 pm

I couldn't agree more about Luis' photos, they're great, but it's the photographer that makes the photo, not the camera....

...but about the camera part here, no no, every now and then a discussion comes up here on the forums about that people can't afford expensive cameras, and that's the reason they have problems to have their work accepted here, blabla...

I think that's nothin', but a load of BS, first you need talent, second you need the experience...











...and maybe, third place, you need the equipment...


Johan (Ljungdahl)



P.S. Who needs expensive cameras to have photos accepted on A.net? Check out yourself...  Big grin
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:26 pm

Yup, I agree about the talent and experience, but to get photos on to A.NET, you need the quality too. You could take identical photos on an SLR on prints, and the top of the range Digital SLR. Scanning the print in, it'll end up looking average, or not even get accepted if the conditions weren't 110% perfect. The DSLR shot will be a shoe-in, or should be...

Its true, you don't need anything spectacular to take a great photo, but you do need talent. People who just use £2000 equipment and use them like they cost £20 is just...  Sad. What i'm trying to get at here is that people have the equipment, but they are not photographers. So they don't get the pictures accepted, and when they do, they are still not reaching the cameras potential. A good photographer on a bad camera is pushing the limits of the cameras potential, but still won't produce results that look superb simply because the equipment and the media etc is not up to scratch...

ETc. and stop it with the shameless plugs  Laugh out loud
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:56 pm

ETc. and stop it with the shameless plugs

...it's not easy, but... ...yep, I'll try to...  Nuts

What I mean is, talkin' about myself, I have used a Canon AE-1 (...I know, most of them is at museums nowadays...) for more than 20 years now, and my normal A.net acceptance rate is between 95 - 100%, so it's just not true that it's depending so much on your equipment.

Just practice, practice and practice again...




...and when finished, try some practice, too...  Big grin


Johan (Ljungdahl)


 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:59 pm

Yup Johan, you are not dependent on your equipment.

But these beginners are...

thats the problem  Smile
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:04 am

Thanks for this surprise Dan  Smile Well, I was shooting prints for 8 years and trying to make the best from prints limitations. Prints grain was driving me crazy so I was thinking more and more about going digital. Sometimes I was loosing great photo opportunities because of prints limitations, a good example is that 747 take off photo you have displayed. Had I made it with a DSLR and it would be a fantastic image, the way it is it's barely acceptable because of grain and lack of definition, I had to make a big crop on that photo.

I spent a lot of money on the D60 but on the other hand I have the passion for aviation photography, so it was an acceptable sacrifice. I was afraid of using a D60 with a Canon 75-300 IS lens because I was reading about the auto focus of the D60 not being very "smart" but I'm very happy now after trying it and I even think it works better than with my previous EOS 30.

What I'm thinking now is that with a DSLR, everyone can be a great photographer, it's incredible easy to make nice clean photos with a DSLR, you just have to shoot shoot shoot and then pick up the best pictures and delete the trash.

all the best
Luis
(who have to shoot everything again, in digital)  Smile

 
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Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:38 am

Luis - Its ok  Big grin. You were the best example I could think of to prove my point  Big grin
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:40 am

Luis mentioned something about the D60 autofocus: It almost made not want to buy a D60, having heard so many complaints everywhere. I made the jump anyway and I think the AF is great! Never let me down except when zooming in on an all-white fuselage.
Bye bye film.
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Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:53 am

I am a new photographer. I started off with a $300 camera. I uploaded only a few photos, and 4 are accepted, that's great! It really is the person behind the camera. I made a small, inexpensive camera make some of the coolest shots! I would like a D60, but I'm not going to switch cameras for the next few years.

Continental
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:05 am

BTW,Dan,what has caused this sudden shift in attitude?Didn't you want a D30/60 not too long ago yourself?
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:16 am

I still do,

I'm not a beginner, I've been taking photographs for over 3 years now. When I have paid off my trip to spain/Wacken then I will save for a DSLR...
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:26 am

Hey donder10:

What's wrong with Cuba and why would you want to send someone on a one-way ticket to Havana. If you want to send someone, I'll volunteer. What's your address so I can send you the bill for the airfare?

The Cubans are wonderful people and it is a very beautiful country with a tremendous culture. Sure the politics are not what I would like to live with, but don't denegrate the country with silly comments.

It's also great for spotting and I have had some great access at various airports.

Here's an example. I have lots more to scan but I just haven't had the time.

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Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:37 am

Just practice, practice and practice again
Yeah that's true. I spent not a lot of money for equipment(some of the stuff I got it at a low price from different places.) and I am taking good pictures now. I setill need to work on adjusting but I can come here for info on how to redo it.
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:37 am

Photopilot,
it was a sarcastic remark which you clearly didn't pick up on(and yes,it was to do with the political situation)



 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:19 am

@ Luis Rosa (Mirage) : I really love your photos and was actually never aware that these were scanned prints. I am sure your results with a D60 will be totally stunning! Have to agree with Dan that it's not the equipment that takes the photo but rather the guy behind the viewfinder who has to compose the picture!

@Johan Ljungdahl : Happy to see another longtime AE-1 user! I shot with the AE-1 for more than 10 years until I decided to go digital (Minolta Dimage 5). The Digicam has made life easier (no more cleaning slides, scanning, etc...).

One day before a flight to Budapest I had forgotten my Digicam in the office and therefore took the AE-1 out of storage again....and really noticed that photography with the AE-1 is far more fun than with the newer Minolta! For example the AE-1 has no autofocus at all, the Minolta's Autofocus is very bad, so I use manual zoom for both of them. However I can control the manual zoom far better with the AE-1 than with the Dimage 5 whose grainy LCD eye viewfinder display lets me guess if it is sharp or not. So I guess that in 1-2 years I will also look for a D60 or similar.

Cheers,

Tom

 
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Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:39 am

Great shots (as always) Luis!

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Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:54 am

I agree, it is not the camera that makes the photographer. It takes knowledge of how a camera works, lots of practice, and a good artistic eye to help to properly compose the shots. While having good equipment helps it does not automatically make you a good photographer. I have seen lots of great photos taken with simple homemade pin hole cameras. Of course I am sure most of the young digital kids, have no idea what a pin hole camera is.

Richard Silagi

 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:09 am

Good points Richard and I do consider you a "fine" photographer. Especially seeing how some of your shots have ended up on Herpa Wing boxes !!

Wow !!

Now to me, the shot below is a great shot and yes, it was shot with a very expensive Canon 1VHS, BUT, just because I have an expensive camera, does NOT always guarantee success. I've had a TON of rejections at Airliners.net; the most important thing is practice, practice, practice.....

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=13461


Jay
 
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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:38 am

Dan,

Yea, so....I had my Nikon N65 for about 2 years now and been shooting slides and now I'm shooting with a Nikon D100. My results with the D100 digital camera has improved 1,000,000 times then shooting prints/slides becuase I KNOW how to shoot and I take EXTREME care of my equipment. I still like to shoot slides but digital now is much more fun. What I call INSTANT PHOTOGRAPHY.

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RE: It Breaks My Heart To See.. (misuse Of Equipment)

Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:01 am

Jay.

How many different threads are you going to post that Peter Max shot on?

Royal

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