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Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 4:46 am

 Smile Hi everyone!  Smile

Last Saturday, I took a trip to EMA, and got some photos. I came back and uploaded them and they looked pretty good. I did a couple of jobs in Microsoft's Picture It! and they looked even better. I tried uploading them at Jetphotos.net and they failed, so I won't try uploading here until I fix them.

Here are the rejected photos at jetphotos.net:

1) http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject.php?id=37132
BMIBaby 737 - terrible quality. Can anything be done?


2) http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject.php?id=36910
Another BMIBaby 737 - bad quality.

3) http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject.php?id=36897
Rejected: too far away.

I cropped the one that said too far away and the quality was terrible!

4) http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject.php?id=36235
Still too far away.

5) http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject.php?id=36232
And the plane is cut off here, nothing can be done with this.

So, they tell me the plane is too far away. I crop it to make the image closer and it comes out looking like number 2! What am I doing wrong? Can anything be done with those photos?

Thanks for your help.

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 4:55 am

Ashley, Are you using the digital zoom on your camera? That would in part explain why the photo quality is so bad. What type of camera are you using?

I would suggest you read up a little bit on shooting planes, (here is a very good article....
http://warbirdaeropress.com/ that will answer some of your questions.

I like the take off angle of the BMI, but your camera seems limited. For that type of shot you need an actual telephoto or zoom lens. NEVER use the digital zoom which just wrecks the quality.

Tony
 
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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:02 am

I have the Fuji S602. I don't know if I'm using the digital zoom or not. I don't even know how to turn the digital zoom off if I am using it Big grin.

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:04 am

RTFM
 
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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:07 am

What do you mean Clickhappy?

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:12 am

Okay. As Clickhappy said, #1 go read the manual for the camera. You are probably shooting at a high aso, like 400.

Read the manual, learn to operate the camera, take a couple of hundred shots of your house, animals, parents, friends etc...then go out and take photos of airplanes.

I think you are setting yourself up for frustration and will wind up leaving a nice little camera locked up in a drawer somewhere becuase it "takes crappy photos." Without trying to sound rude or arrogant...learn to be a photogrpaher first. Then worry about what you are doing wrong so that you can't get photos uploaded. Take some time to learn and you are onto a great hobby.

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:13 am

RTFM - "Read The Free Manual"

(Aaah, too slow writing a comment - again...)

[Edited 2003-03-02 21:14:55]

[Edited 2003-03-02 21:15:50]
 
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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:18 am

I wouldnt use the word Free for the F in RTFM  Big thumbs up

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:24 am

Ben,

I know what you're thinking about, I had the same thought, but I refuse to write it in this thread...
 
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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:25 am

Ok I just clicked. Read the (swear word) manual.
Ok, I shot with ISO 100.

And I have read the manual, but I don't understand half of it.

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:30 am

OK, well the photos displayed are almost certainly write-offs.

First piece of advice, as already stated, is Read the F***ing Manual. There is also some interesting stuff about the Fuji S602 here:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_s602-review/

It seems that the camera is 3.1mp, which should be enough, and has 6x zoom lens on this camera is the 35mm equivalent of 35-210mm. The zoom may be limiting in some cases at East Midlands - it depends where you shoot from.

In terms of reading the manual, it would seem sensible to firstly make sure that you're shooting Fine or Hi resolution, 3M (the review suggests a lot of noise at 6M). This will mean large files, but you can resize them down to 1024, probably with the software in the box(?). It would also be sensible to be shooting at 160ISO, and certainly not at 800ISO where it appears the camera drops the resolution to 1MP (eek!) which will definitely not be good enough for airliners.net or jetphotos.

Probably the most limiting factor is the maximum length of the zoom, but with a bit of care in being in the right places it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I would NOT however recommend shooting stuff that appears really small in the viewfinder, and then making a very agressive crop later - the resolution delivered by the camera is probably not enough to support you doing that and achieving a reasonable result. If its too far away, probably do not shoot. My suspicion is that this camera will produce some reasonable results, and the key thing is learning how to use it properly.

Andy
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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:35 am

Thanks for the tips Andy. I'll be off to EMA next weekend and I'll see what results I get then.

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:43 am

DC-10 Levo said: I'll be off to EMA next weekend and I'll see what results I get then

Ashley,

I'd offer to join you and see if I could help in person as East Mids is my local too, but next weekend I will be in Las Vegas. Some other weekend perhaps? I'm quite often at East Mids weekends, as I usually fly one of EMFS's PA-28 Warriors (G-CDON or G-BPRY) once a fortnight.

Andy
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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:51 am

DC-10 Levo, another helpful tip. Please keep your camera steady while you shoot, avoid sudden or abrupt body motion. That is probably why your pictures are really blurry.

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:24 am

About the DHL 727 pic: are you sure you're using a shutter speeds that's hig enough? If not, try to pan with the aircraft. If you don't know how to do it and achieve good sharp pics, try using a high shutter speed (~1/500th)...

I'll be honest with you: it seems like you have a lot to learn. But don't worry. Everybody has to start somewhere. I remember when I made my first pics, they turned out to be really bad because I didn't have the experience I have now. There's only one way to lear: by taking pictures (and since you have a digicam you don't have to worry about developing costs etc...). Also, try to read this forum as well as some others (e.g. general photography or some forums at http://www.dpreview.com ).

I 'm sure your result will improve in no time. Good luck!!!

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RE: Can Anything Be Done With These Photos?

Tue Mar 04, 2003 1:23 am

Thanks for all your help guys. I'll keep you posted on what results I get.

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