Dazed767
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Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 6:56 am

Sometime this year (summer probably) I plan on buying the 10D. I'm not too familiar with Canon and their lenses, but I found 2 I would like to buy with that camera. I can't afford top notch glass, but these look OK to me.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh2.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___206434___CA28105352EF___USA___CatID=274___SID=F3DD772DB70

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh2.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___102854___CA753004ISEF___USA___CatID=274___SID=F3DD772DB70

The 75-300mm is only f/4.0-5.6 though (same as my crummy Nikkor lens, but it gets the job done).....I wish I could afford a 70-200mm f/2.8 right now. So overall, would any of you guys reccomend them? Thanks.

Justin
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:20 am

Justin,
try real hard to save up for the 80-200 F2.8, you can pick up a used non-IS one on ebay for 600-700 bucks in excellent to mint condition sometimes. If you're spending 1500 on the camera, do the right thing on the lens- the lens is more important for image quality than the camera. You can thank me later.

Joe
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 8:59 am

The problem with the 80-200/2.8 is that it doesn't work with Canon tele-converters. I would go with the 70-200/4. It sells for about $500 new.
I agree with Joe, you need a lens that takes advantage of every pixel of the 10D. I don't think the 75-300 is up to that.

Hisham.
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 9:48 am

The problem with the 80-200/2.8 is that it doesn't work with Canon tele-converters.
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Hisham, are you sure you meant to write what you wrote above? read it again and make sure

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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 9:52 am

Joe,
Hisham is correct.

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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:04 am

Jan, Hisham,
what am i missing? i use 1.4X and 2.0X tele-converters with my 80-200, both my old none IS and my new IS.

Joe
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:05 am

Joe,
You are talking about the 70-200 not the 80-200.

Hisham.
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:12 am

ahhh, ok Hisham. Now what is the 80-200? is that for the older Canon cameras like the AE-1? I have to admit I know as much about pre-EOS Canon as I do about Nikon.

Joe
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:22 am

It's an EOS L lens (AF). The major difference is that it doesn't take TCs and doesn't allow full-time manual focusing. And most importantly, it's black  Smile)

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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:40 am

i cant believe i never even remotely heard of this lens. OK, sorry that i thought you were wrong initially- i was like, doesnt take tele-converters? huh? now i know. thanks
Joe
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Sun Mar 09, 2003 3:08 pm

Wow, thanks for all the feedback. I'll try and hold out for a 2.8 (used off ebay, there is no way I can afford a new one right now  Big grin ). A buddy of mine just got the 75-300.....we'll see what he spits out.
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:36 am

Dazed767,

PLEASE listen to Joe and save your money for the 70-200 f-2.8 !!

Joe is a "God" around these parts and he definately knows what he is talking about. I have both the 70-200 f-2.8 and the 28-70 f-2.8. No matter what anyone else EVER tells you, do NOT buy anything other than a Canon lense for your Canon cameras.

If you buy an after-market lense, (my opinion) you'll be sorry that you did.


Just my opinion, no flames, please................


Jay
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:34 pm

Justin,

We've been friends for like 5 years now. Get the 75-300 IS.
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:44 pm

I think for the most part the 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM would be fine for me, it's just the bigger lens I'm worried about. I guess with the 1.6 crop factor, 200mm turns into 320mm or so, which would be fine for me (although....100-400mm would be sweet.....I better not push it though haha). Thanks again for the help.
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:32 pm

Unless you are independently wealthy or just like being in over your head, listen to Nonrevking........remember, this is a hobby for 99% of us.
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:33 pm

Just a quick note:

If you buy an after-market lense, (my opinion) you'll be sorry that you did.

A better photographer will produce better results with a Canon body and a "aftermarket" lens than a less-experienced photographer would with a Canon body and Canon lens...

Take it as you like...just a comment.

Mike
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 7:13 pm

Hello Justin,

The Canon EF 70-200 1:4.0L USM may be something for you. I use it on my Canon EOS 33. Personally I'm dreaming about the Canon EF 100-400L USM IS.

Cheers

Anders Nilsson
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:27 pm

Here is some info,
as i'm also planing to go for Canon Digital gear.
http://www.photo.net/canon/70-200

Fa
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:42 pm

A few points:

1 - The Canon 70-200f4 is a real "bargain" in L lens terms, and every bit as sharp as the f2.8 LIS. I've owned them both - f2.8 and IS is important for the low light work I do, but for aviation, the f4 is just fine.

2 - The D60, so presumably the 10D as well is capable of showing the difference between Canon L glass and Canon consumer lenses. No, L glass won't make you a better photographer - but it will help you make the most of any situation.

3 - the 80/20 rule applies to L glass. You'll pay an 80% premium for a 20% improvement in quality, moreover, that improvement will probably be a significant factor in only a small percentage of your shots.

4 - If budget is a significant factor, and you are not "Canon bound" you should give consideration to the new Pentax (good range of quality lenses at sensible prices). Also, there is a fair probability that Canon will be releasing a more affordable 4mp DSLR late summer, which would be a better match to consumer Canon lenses. Finally, if very large prints are not your aim, the D60/10D 6mp and ultra sharp lenses may not be necessary - used D30 prices are in freefall, and image quality is every bit as good as the D60 up to a certain image size.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:14 pm

The Canon EF 70-200mm 2.8 L lens is one of the finest lenses ever made. Save your money and buy that one instead of putting a cheap-ass consumer-grade lense on an expensive DSLR. The lens is the most important part of your rig - that should be where most of your money is spent.

And by the way, this lens does work with both 1.4X and 2X converters. I saw a guy using both last weekend.

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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:36 pm

Agree with Charles about the convertors - results are so good with the 70-200 that I've decided to sell my 100-400. I have some shots in the queue using the 70-200 & 2x convertor.

But I should stress that this is with the Canon convertors - UK300 each - don't expect the same results with a generic third party model. Convertors CAN approximate the quality of prime lenses - but only at a significant price - convertors should never be treated as a budget accessory - a lesson I've learned the hard way!

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:42 pm

Colin, 70-200IS at 200 with 2X converter at close to 5pm in the winter. It is also cropped and photshopped to make brighter than it actually is. Yes, I appreciate F2.8.

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Comment To Mikephotos

Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:30 am

Mike,

I agree with your comment, no doubt about it, what I am saying is to me, the Canon lenses seem to "respond" faster and "move" faster if you are using the auto-focus system.

I tried a Tamron 200-400 f-4.5 lense and I absolutely hated it. It was slower than Christmas. Luckily, I returned it and got my money back.

That was my point.............


Jay
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:56 am

I'd like to go with 6mp at least right now, I think that would be something I could keep around for years and not have to worry about upgrading it so quickly. The D30 is a great camera, it's just been out for so long (not saying it's obsolete) but I would like something 'new'.

Now back to the lens. Right now I use a Nikkor 70-300mm f/4-5.6 G lens (= crap). It's slower than I would like, but for the most part it gets the job done that I need it to. I don't really shoot in awkward conditions, and with good sun I'm fine. If I found a good used f/2.8 on ebay for lets say $700 I would jump on it (the 75-300 IS f/4 is $425 new). But in reality do I need the f/2.8 right now, not really. Would the image quality be that dramatic of a difference that I would need that lens?
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:10 am

The 70-200 f/4 seems like a decent lens for such a good price. Only con I can think of is that anything over a 1.4x TC will be difficult to use. Probably has a better trade-in value than lets say a 75-300 if you decide to upgrade in the future.

Just my 2 cents..

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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:14 am

One of the unseen advantages of F2.8 is the ability to add a 2x converter at a later date and still get autofocus. Adding a 2x converter to a 70-200 F4 lens, for example, would give you a 140-400 lens at F8. F8 is too small an aperture for most camera's autofocus to work at, so you would be limited to using manual focus with quite a dark viewfinder.

I am delighted with my 70-200 F4 L lens, as it is about half the price and half the weight of the F2.8 and just as sharp. IS would be nice, but the 70-200 F2.8 IS is even more bucks. I will not need a tele converter, as I have my Sigma 170-500 lens.

My next big spend will probably be a 10D.

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:21 am

Using the 2x convertor with the f4 is not a problem ... yes, you lose AF, but with teleconvertors on a fast lens the AF is significantly slower anyway, so MF is usually preferable. One of the delights of the L primes is their manual focus is a delight to use - exactly the right tension and sensitivity. I would not worry about loss of AF.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Need Help With Canon Lenses.

Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:23 am

Got any photos to show taken with the f/4 and a 2x TC?

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