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Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:36 pm

Ok, after a while of waiting [for a job], I'm in the last stages prior to purchasing a D100. It will not just be used for aviation though. I think the low light handling will benefit me more than the Canon family.

What I'd appreciate is some help on lens selection.
I'm most likely going to take the plunge and get the:
80-400mm VR
24-85mm G-AFS

I have a question for a wider angle lens...
Anything good about the 12-24mm f/4 ED-IF AF-S DX lens? I cant find the price, nor do I know if it's a good lens. And like many of the wide angle lenses, it will probably be very expensive. I don't want to fork out money on a crap lens. If this is good, I might consider it. It just appears to fill the space in my potential variety. If anyone knows an equivalent, or even better lens to the one above, let me know.

I might put of a converter (1.4 or 2.0X) for a short while. I'll have to see.

Thanks in advance,

Tim
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:42 pm

dude, D100 is a nice piece of kit. I have both the 24-85 G (great lens!) and the 80-400VR (so so). The 12-24 hasn't been released yet. I think the Sigma 15-30 would be worth a look, I was thinking about picking one of these up, but want to comapre it to the 12-24. Instead of the 80-400, how about the 70-200VR f/2.8. SWEET!
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:11 pm

Any AF-S and IF-ED lens is worth the money.
I'd love to have an 80-400 for my F80, it's be the best long telezoom you can get (or do as suggested in another threat and get the 70-200 AF-S VR with a TC-20E II which is even better but costs more).
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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:54 pm

I planned to have the D100 around Christmas time, but nope. It shouldnt be long till I get this camera. Correct me if I'm wrong but is the 2.0X convertor a better quality glass than the 1.4 ? I think i heard the 1.4 doesnt give results like the 2.0.

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Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:03 pm

Alright Tim!!!!!
I heard that 70-200VR is one sweet unit. Beyond my reach at the moment, but I am considering the 80-400VR. I know Royal and Sam are not thrilled to death with it, but it would work for me. I have seen some great shots with the Sigma 50-500 as well, though many complain about the weight.

Can't help you with the converter question.... Have fun!

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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:16 pm

Good lord that 50-500 is the size of my forearm. I'll consider it maybe. Im expecting to have the D100 within 2 months now. Gotta work a little bit...my parents will help me at first though  Smile Smile I'm working on a little plan that might get me some of the stuff i want for free. Curious to see how this goes down.

Im busy right now, so I cant write very long posts. Thanks for the help guys.

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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:54 pm

I think the low light handling will benefit me more than the Canon family

If you haven't committed yet, you owe it to yourself to check out the lowlight capability of the new 10D ... much improved over the D60 through a) much reduced noise levels at high ISOs and b) provision of 1600 and 3200 ISO ... looking at some samples posted at dpreview, that 3200 is actually usuable!

Early days yet, but I suspect the 10D may well be the lowlight king. Esp. when couple with an IS lens - and remember the Canon range is more extensive and affordable as it is also avialable on "consumer" lenses.

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Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:24 pm

I agree with Colin, It took me a while to make my final decision (it's been a year I'm waiting to buy a DSLR) but I finally gave the go for the 10D.

I was going to buy the D100, but after reading, checking, reading again and finally trying the Nikon, I made my final decision when the 10D was unveiled.

I think the camera will work great and considering the price in comparison to D100, it was for me a valuable argument.

So it's worth to think wisely about the good and bad points from the camera, before making any decision that you could regret in a while...

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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:28 am

Hi,

I've got the 80-400VR now, and I have to say its not as good as you think it is... Would prefer the 70-200mm 2.8 though.. but since I wanted the length.. oh well....

Also, I dont really see the use of VR unless you are shooting in low light conditions... Perhaps consider the 170-500mm by Sigma.

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:40 am

Ok, I might be the next owner of D100. Which converter should I buy and why?

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:00 am

Rafal, talk to me when we meet.

All, I think the 80-400 in a great lens. The only compliant I have about mine is the stiffness of the zoom ring. I do find myself using the full range of the lens so using a tele- converter with the 70-200 would be nothing short of annoying.

The 80-400 is really the only piece of glass you need unless you are a ramp shooter or can get very close to a taxiway.

Royal, Tsentsan, can you explain what you don’t like about the 80-400?

I dont really see the use of VR unless you are shooting in low light conditions

It is a big help in windy conditions, when you are in a vehicle such as another aircraft and other situations.

Sunil


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Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:08 am

my beef with it is that the quality it produces is inconsitent. If I take 100 pictures with it, 70 will be so-so, 20 will totally suck, and 10 will be stunning. I am packing it with me this weekend to SLC and JAC so we will see what kind of results it produces, but if you can have only one zoom I would go for a 80-200 f/2.8
 
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Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:19 am

define "so-so" and "suck"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Are you talking about sharpeness, contrast or what?

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 2:40 am

Colin, you've got me interested now. Ive never disliked canon, and I have heard good things about nikon. Canon produces smoother images, I know that. Im not getting anywhere with this paragraph. Anyway....

When you say the new 10D handles very well in low light conditions, would you consider the time of day where the sun is just on the horizon "low light" ? IIf I'm shooting photos of planes at <1/60 sec with the sun barely peeking over the horizon, I want stunning results.

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:44 am

Tim,
On a Canon, you just turn the dial to the little picture of what ever your shooting, and it works...! And in a year you can buy another Canon for $500 less then you paid for the d60, d10, etc. Think of all the money you'll save! err...wait, I think I got that backward.......  Smile

Your best bet in all seriousness, is to get down to the store and try them out.

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:29 am

Hi Sunil,

I have been using 80-400 VR for 2 yrs now almost!  Big thumbs up

First, yes, it is a so-so and suck shot lens.
The lens zoom ring seems very tight and this cause trouble to shoot action stuff which you sometimes stuck the zoom too much or too less.

But with more tryout, you get the ring looser and seems faster focus now everytime?? I think sometimes when you first get blur or not so good shots as you have hand/body movement during shooting, I have it several time I shaked cause the shot to be blurred , not much the lens fault.

Sunil, you are absolutly right with the VR
It is a big help in windy conditions, when you are in a vehicle such as another aircraft and other situations.


I have it on VR mode 1 (there is 2 and VR off mode) all the time, that you will find it when you zoom to 300-400mm (on digital becomes 450-600mm) that VR DO make a difference in the shot especially shooting moving subjects like planes taking off.

The trick with VR is you need to hold your lens as steady and tight as you can, as it always focus on the subject and the lens seems to "drop" a little on focusing inside your focusing screen. I am not sure what that do, but Royal have the same experience.

With low light, windy and other conditions, the VR comes very handy. Of course the lens is not as fast as a 2.8 lens, but the extra range it provides really weight more than the downside. One other thing, if your camera body weights less than the VR lens, yes, you may get sometimes blur shot or movements during zooming/focusing, you just need to held it tight and pan it right. On my F5, the misfocusing rarely happen, as the body of camera weight is heavy enough.

Overall I think you need to take a while to get used to shoot VR lens, Practice and re practice, and I am sure you find this is not a disappointing product from Nikon.

For Royal he have the old firmware 1.01 on his D100 with VR, I think even in RAW mode the shot looks soft. I have VR lens with firmware2.0 on jpeg looks sharp enough to without done much USM to upload here!

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:21 am

Sunil, the suck shots are usually way out of focus, and the colors are very wrong. I don't know how to explain it, I can try to dig up some samples. On several occasions the lens has produced some kick-ass shots. Esp. in good light. It seems to suffer at wider settings.

Sam is ultimately correct, practice makes perfect with the VR. My other knock against the VR is that it is an external focus lens  Sad Also one of the reasons I love the f/2.8

 
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Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:59 am

Sam, Royal,

I have had the VR lens for 2 years and 3 months and I absolutely love it (except for the tight zoom). I only shoot film so I wonder if there are other factors in the experience you are having. When I switched to this lens + F100, my reject rate due to focus and/or camera shake went way down. I only use it on an F100 body w/ the battery grip (6 lithium AA cells = nuclear power)

Royal, I would venture to guess that your problem with the lens has more to do with the N80 heritage of the D100 than the lens itself… at least the focus part. The focus motor on the N80/D100 is decidedly weaker than that of the F100/F5. I have no clue on the color problem… it’s not the lens for sure. The glass in this lens is very good... dare I say almost as good at the 80-200 f2.8 and better than my old Nikon 300 F4.

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Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:30 pm

BTW, may be a plug, but this was one of the shot I truly enjoyed, full frame from the edge to edge, Velvia 80-400VR, The lens work out so fine, I can read every single thing! It is about 300mm shot on takeoff between 2 light poles, so I need to be quick but works!

I scanned in Aug02 but was rejected then. Just want to share here again, as I uploaded again tonight....hopefully can get into the DB to say goodbye to the F1 747, I used to see her around last 3 yrs!!





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Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:36 pm

Got one more . Hope they can get on, I know someone can be sick of that, but I never, and they're gone now, just want to enjoy it one more time!

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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:23 pm

Tim

Just to add my two cents to this discussion ... I purchased the D100 with the Nikkor 80-400 VR zoom and a 24-120 zoom. Since Oct. I've shot over 3k shots with it and I'd venture to guess that 2,500 of them were with the 80-400. I've found the lens to be very good and haven't noticed some of the things others have stated, such as the firmness of the zoom ring. I'm constantly shooting and zooming at the same time and this hasn't been a problem for me.

I also haven't experienced or even noticed problems because the lens is heavier than the camera. I find it very comfortable to hold and control as I go through the panning and shooting process.

Bottom line, in my opinion, is that it's a very good lens and I'm quite satistied with its handling capabilities and the quality of images it produces.

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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:32 am

haven't noticed some of the things others have stated, such as the firmness of the zoom ring

Art, the stiffness of the zoom ring was a problem with early examples of the lens such as the one I have.

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RE: Ok, Very Very Close To D100, Need Last Min Help

Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:21 pm

Art, the lens being heavier than the camera isn't a problem as long as the center of gravity is located where it's comfortable for you.
If it weren't I'd be in big trouble with my 400mm prime on my ancient Minolta which weighs in a roughly twice the weight of the camera body (total combo is maybe 2 kilos loaded  Smile/happy/getting dizzy).
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Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:12 pm

Art, were those shots from Cayman Islands taken with the 80-400? There awesome!

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