Lindy
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Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:53 am

Hi All,

This was meantioned in another topic on this forum and I thought that I will bring up what I did last year.
You can read about it in that post:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/801533/

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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 5:30 am

Spotting is illegal in the U.S.

(well, not really, but it might as well be for practical purposes)

Actually, it's a good idea to start an organization. That way we can lobby the government to let us enjoy our hobby in peace.
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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 5:41 am

It is hard trying to get one big organization for the spotters throughout the US. I'd say, stick with local organization spotter groups like WashBaltSpotter, Rafal. It sounds like a great idea but I don't think it will work. Everyone has to participate in this.

Can you do me a favor and give me the link to the Wash/Balt spotters club? I wanna re-join again since I try to hit DCA, IAD, RIC, ORF, BWI, and PHL on weekends.

Thanks.

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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 5:43 am

It would be neat if we could organize something like this. I would be willing to join.

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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 5:48 am

Its a good idea. One of the guys on the phtography forum had a run-in with cops recently and someone on that thread mentioned organizing, similar to the AOPA. I think that more than simply an organization of spotters who get together an a certain airport we need to try and organize for all spotters across the u.s.a. and to "enlighten" airport authorities to our hobby, numbers of people interested in planes, and how things can be done that would both increase our safety and give us some basic freedom.

they've got the same threats in Europe (especially U.K.) and yet they are not "locking down" every place like in this country and spotters are encouraged at some places as a set of "extra eyes & ears" to watch out for suspicious people.

People do not realize just how many people in this country have visited an airport perimeter just to watch and/or take pictures. Yesterday i was out at Nashville (BNA) and for 3 hours there was a steady trickle of cars coming and going from the Aircraft Observation Area. And that was only a 3-hour slice of one day of one week. Same situation in Houston and every other airport I have been to. FLL used to be actually crowded and hard to find a parking space in the Viewing Area lot. Once in the late 90s when the Concorde came to FLL there was such a crowd that police had to direct traffic. The Concorde was 5 hours late and still many people stayed the whole time.

I would support an idea that airports issue "passes" to spotters in order to identify who is a spotter and who is not.

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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:06 am

I would support an idea that airports issue "passes" to spotters in order to identify who is a spotter and who is not.

Nice idea in theory, but it isn't practical. What about the dad who brings his boys to the airport twice a year to watch airplanes? Would it be illegal for him to do so if he didn't have a "pass"? How in the world would he know how to get one of these passes?

The only thing that we can do is to continue going to our local airports, just like we always have been doing.
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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:34 am

I agree with Scooter. I don't want to get a Pass to go out and watch an airplane land, or a train drive by. Clubs are clubs, they don't deserve any "extra" rights or privileges then the average "Joe" gets.

Adding this layer of management on an already burdened airport operation is silly. Costs are another thing, you know there will be a fee to get this pass, an application will need to be filled out, and then what happens when your application is denied?

The Liberals will want to tax it, make more laws to control it, and so on.

Being responsible and respectful when questioned has not let me down yet.

Just my .02

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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United States

Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:19 am

Well, I didn't say anything about "Passes". All I said was to create some kind of organization that Authority would recognize.
AOPA means Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assosiation - but you dont have to be a pilot nor you don't have to have aircraft to belong to that group. Everybody can sign up for $40. Also you can be a pilot or have aircraft but you don't have to belong to AOPA.
Spotters organization would be runing on similar rules. If you like it you can sing up or if you dont like the idea you dont have to.
The idea is not to make any more unnecessary layers.

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RE: Organizing Spotting/Photography In United Stat

Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:20 pm

"The Liberals will want to tax it, make more laws to control it, and so on."

Huh? It seems plenty of new controls on viewing/spotting have already been put in place recently, and the police, TSA, National Guard, security people, and airline passgenger profiling systems could hardly be called liberal. We're already there. Let's address the primary issue - as was pointed out with pursuing local airports, and being responsible and respectful when questioned - rather than just playing a blame game on a suggested solution.

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