Danny
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LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Thu Apr 24, 2003 7:59 am

Recently some standard has been apllied to Polish Airlines name in the database. I am sorry to say this but the worst solution has been chosen.

1. LOT plane is now named: LOT - Polish Airlines / Polskie Linie Lotnicze

I don't know why both english and polish landuage version is used. All other airlines seems to have only one.

2. Eurolot planes:

some AT72: LOT - Polish Airlines / Polskie Linie Lotnicze (EuroLOT)
some AT72: EuroLOT
AT42: EuroLOT

Why are they different? All ATRs belong to Eurolot. Even if some of them have old liveries. I think the livery does not change the airline name - my sugestion would be to make it simple and real:

767
737
ERJ: LOT Polish Airlines

AT72
AT42: EuroLOT.
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:19 am

I agree with you. It should be LOT Polish Airlines on the mainline and EuroLOT on the ATRs
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:34 am

I think you have to appreciate Polish culture. Don't forget that the Poles are a fiercely nationalistic group of people, proud of their language and still somewhat distrustful of foreigners - and who can blame them, given the country's history.

Personally I like to see the native language on the fleet, even if English is a better marketing tool.

What next? Aeroflot written in English rather than Cyrillic? That'll be the day.
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:48 am

Danny/LOT767-300ER:

I have posted the answer to your remarks in the other thread at:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/85973/

For the double names I give another example here, Delta Connection. You will probably know that Delta Connection is flown by several companies, which are now listed in the database as follows:

Delta Connection (ASA - Atlantic Southeast Airlines)
Delta Connection (Atlantic Coast Airlines)

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Delta Connection (Atlantic Coast Jet)
Delta Connection (BEX - Business Express)

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Delta Connection (Chautauqua Airlines)
Delta Connection (Comair)

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Delta Connection (Skywest Airlines)
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When I take one of them as an example, "Delta Connection (Comair)". In the past when there was no guideline for this, you could find this name in the airline field of the photo caption as e.g.:
Delta Connection
Comair
Delta Connection/Comair
Comair/Delta Connection
Delta Connection-Comair
Comair-Delta Connection
Delta Connection Comair
and a few other combinations (and misspellings). Multiply this with the other operating companies of Delta Connection, and you can imagine how the database looked in the past.

There have been many requests of company staff and pilots, but also of general viewers, who asked that it should be possible to see e.g. all the photos for Comair under one button. But others wanted to see all Delta Connection photos under one button. Also many people find it very interesting to see from which company an aircraft is leased. With the new method of listing the names all these wishes can be satisfied. When you know a better method please let me know.

Regards,
Peter Vercruijsse
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Danny
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:54 am

Backfire - we both are polish  Smile And we are not nationalistic group of people. I dont know you told you that but it is far from reality.

Delta connection is a different case as it is operated by many different often independent airlines. Eurolot is only one and is 100% owned by LOT.
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:00 am

Backfire,

I'd like to tell you only one thing - your opinion about Poles is way too much stereotypical.

Danny, LOT,

New listing of LOT/EuroLOT looks somewhat strange, but does make a sense, so I finally agree with Peter.


Regards
Jacek
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:48 am

Still, why is it written both in English and Polish? Weird..

It certainly is an improvement over the previous field "Polish Airlines - LOT" which wasent even right  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:54 pm

Hi,

Still, why is it written both in English and Polish? Weird

Why not  Smile

I also agree with Peter. Makes sense.
Anyway, the issue will disappear once all the ATRs are repainted with EuroLOT colors.

JArek

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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:24 pm

They won't be repainted as soon will be replaced by ERJ-170
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:50 pm

I was under the impression that ERJ-170s are supposed to replace some of 737 and ERJ-145, not ATR.
Not mentioning that ERJ-170s are bought by LOT and ATRs belong to EuroLOT.
 Smile

Jarek
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sat Apr 26, 2003 12:29 am

"Still, why is it written both in English and Polish? Weird

Why not "

All im saying is, its unusual since others arent written in 2 languages...

Yep, the -170s are replacing the older 737s and ERJs.
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:03 am

...well, if the LOT a/c's are marked in both English and the native language, why not apply the same rule to this airline:

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...and furthermore, there are many more photos of airlines in this DB, with titles in both English and a native language, pure logic says that the same rules should be used for all of them, just not for some selected ones...

...just my $2...

Johan (Ljungdahl)

 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:41 am

ERJ-170 will replace some oldest B735 E145 and ofcourse AT72 as this is 70 pax aircraft.
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:50 am

"ERJ-170 will replace some oldest B735 E145 and ofcourse AT72 as this is 70 pax aircraft. "

That means they will have to be painted in EuroLOT colors..

Johan,

That was exactly my point  Smile
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:43 pm

I don't think the will be in Eurolot colors. But we'll see...  Smile
 
Jarek
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:10 am

ERJ-170 will replace some oldest B735 E145 and ofcourse AT72 as this is 70 pax aircraft

I am getting confused Danny!
ERJ-170 to be bought by LOT will replace some ATR-72, which are owned by EuroLOT?
Any explanation how would it work?

Regards

Jarek
 
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RE: LOT / Eurolot Issue Continued...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:46 pm

Explanation is easy - 100% owner of Eurolot is LOT so they have one policy. Eurolot received ATRs from LOT. I guess Eurokot will be reduced to 5 aircrafts only (new AT45). All the rest will be LOT aircraft.

In fact you should treat them as a one company although formally separate entities.

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