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Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Fri May 02, 2003 11:39 pm

I noticed this morning that all of Richard Silagi's photos have been removed from the database. I assume he asked to have them removed since he has been a critic of the screening process for some time. Maybe he caused offense in some respect and the decision to remove his photos was made by the administrator. How it happened doesn't really concern me. It's just a shame that hundreds of great airliner photos from California in the late 1970s & 1980s are now gone from the database.

Maybe some of you photographers reading this post could make an effort in the next few weeks to dig through your collections and upload photos from SFO, SJC, LAX, etc. from the 1970s through 1990s to fill the void that's been created. Richard's photos included quite a few of PSA, Hughes Airwest, Western Airlines, etc. It would be great if they could be "replaced," so to speak.

The last time I was so disappointed was when Scott Leazenby's photos disappeared. What a drag!
 
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Sat May 03, 2003 7:34 am

I think it's a shame that that had to happen...  Sad

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Sat May 03, 2003 8:54 am

Richard is fed up with this site and asked Johan to remove them. If you want to see his old stuff from SFO and the Bay Area, come over to http://www.jetphotos.net

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sat May 03, 2003 9:31 am

Well, he must have been pretty fed up to dash away the hours of his life he spent scanning and uploading those photos. I wonder if he really feels better now... Seems like a rather pointless gesture to me.
 
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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sat May 03, 2003 9:47 am

Well, you don't lose the time you spend scanning unless you have deleted the files. Reuploading takes time, but I have uploaded a number of shots to the Railroad section of that other site with much quicker uploads than here. I suspect my distance from A.net and its popularity are the reason it can seem to be pretty slow at my end, even though now I have DSL line.

I have never talked to Richard about this situation, but it may not be a pointless gesture and it may have nothing to do with feeling better in the short term. Perhaps he decided to realign his efforts to a site or sites that he feels will be of greater benefit to him in the long run.

Whatever is behind it, I understand your feeling of loss.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sun May 04, 2003 11:06 am

We have had this discussion a number of times on this forum.

Many people, not just Richard, are moving away to other sites because of the non-standard rejections on this site. Unfortunately, there is no way that I know of to bring true objectivity to the screening standards.

Many think that if you shoot digital you get accepted more, many think that if you are European you get accepted more, I don't know what it is, but my rejection level certainly has gone so high that I don't upload here anymore either.

I shoot professional Canon equipment, with the L lenses, yet get rejected for a bad scan and I use an HP Slide Scanner with Adobe Photoshop 7.0 software. I would think that if I have problems making a good scan, I don't know how the others even get accepted...............

My personal opinion is that either Johan and his merry band of screeners are going to have to loosen up the screening levels or many others will take their photos elsewhere also.............and I hate to see Richard's collection go away.

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Sun May 04, 2003 2:29 pm

I wish more consideration was given to the concerns of the users.





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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sun May 04, 2003 3:30 pm

I think a lot has to do with digital versus film. From my own experience, I could not get a single photo uploaded when scanning from prints back about one year ago using a current model consumer print scanner. Not one. But I'm approaching the 1 yr anniversary of my D30 and it has gotten much easier. Even comparing the past 12 months, I had more rejects in the beginning than now. My last shoot from the South Parking Deck at ATL was last June, and my shots from last week are better overall than those from last June. I managed to even amaze myself with a shot of a Turboprop that I did at 1/60 handheld and it is sharp as a tack (except for the spinning blades, the whole point of the shot!) and I know that'll be a first-try add when I get to sending it.

Point is, digital makes a huge difference in photos viewed on a hi-res computer monitor versus film. (a computer monitor is higher res than a good tv set even) Jay, you've got some great gear but: a computer is a digital device. When you take something (image, video, audio, whatever) in the digital realm straight from the original source to the output source its always going to be better in some way and/or more forgiving to manipulate. And technique adds to that. Things like color, sharpening, etc. It maybe possible for some to succeed especially if the motiv of the shot outweighs the scan however I'm not telling anyone shooting film to just give up - it's not you. Its the nature of the scan process.

Sorry, I'm biased - totally sold on digital quality.

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Sun May 04, 2003 3:49 pm

If it ain't K64 it isn't a photo.



IMHO

The question is for Johan, and it has been asked in the past, Does he want this to be a site that is home for a few that brag about their $4000 worth of camera gear.

Or....

Does he want this site to be a forum where just about everybody, at various skill levels can post his/her work and be proud of it.
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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sun May 04, 2003 3:59 pm

Sorry, one does not need $4000 worth of gear.

go here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2927060281&category=30020


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Sun May 04, 2003 4:09 pm

One doesn't even need a DSLR, my Song 757 shot (FQ, from slightly above taken at the gate..not going to post it here so people don't think I'm trying to get cheap hits  Smile) was taken with my 2.1MP super-compact digital Minolta which ran about $300 when I got it.

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Sun May 04, 2003 4:22 pm

Mike wrote in
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/88373/
Mike
Still sticking to strictly slides....

So your Minolta 2.1 MP does produce slides also and this for around 300 USD
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Forget Nikon, Canon and whatever else and go for Minolta  Big thumbs up

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sun May 04, 2003 5:07 pm

Mike

You hit the nail on the head!! One does not need a DSLR. There are other cameras out there that will come close to these DSLR's. And remember its who is behind the camera that count's.

Dont worry about cheap hits... This is not GAME. Its a photographic forum where we share help, comment and review. So i posted the shot for you.

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Sun May 04, 2003 5:16 pm

Many think that if you shoot digital you get accepted more,

Canon AE-1...


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Of course, digital (D60/D100) will make it alot easier quality wise when looking on the screen, but if you have a good scanner and take the right processing steps, you can get loads of shots accepted shooting slides...Johan L. has taught us all that  Big grin

I shoot with an entry level digital camera and I get rejections alot of the time, probably a 30-50% rate.

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Sun May 04, 2003 6:11 pm

Clovis,

Thank's for the plugs, and you're totally correct mentioning that it's fully possible to get loads of shots accepted shooting slides... Big grin

Using the (very) old Canon AE-1, and a slide scanner, my average A.net acceptance rate exceeds 95%, so everybody mentioning that's all is 'bout the equipment, hasn't realized that part of the real world.

I've said it before, now I'm saying it again, what counts in the end is your skill, and practice, practice, practice and maybe a little bit more of...

...practice...  Big grin

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Sun May 04, 2003 6:18 pm

Welcome Johan, but I'm sure you get enough hits on your own...  Big grin
I've seen my rejection rate go down since I've started. I'm just getting the hang of things, being able to spot something wrong with a photo quicker, knowing what is and what is not A.net material...etc... It takes time, but it is very rewarding when you take a look at some of your own stuff from awhile back and compare it with what you upload today and go "Wow, my stuff looks alot better now!"

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Sun May 04, 2003 6:29 pm

Getting stuff accepted depends on a number of things, good equipiment increases the odds. But not always.

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Sun May 04, 2003 7:52 pm

L-188 said: The question is for Johan, and it has been asked in the past, Does he want this to be a site that is home for a few that brag about their $4000 worth of camera gear. Or.... Does he want this site to be a forum where just about everybody, at various skill levels can post his/her work and be proud of it.

No, Johan wants the site to be a home for QUALITY photography, not just any old stuff justified on the basis of not having access to kit, whatever that kit may be. Mike (above) and Sam Chui in this topic

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/88576/

prove that digital isn't the be all and end all of this site and that with the right approach and a preparedness to get things right film produces at least as good a result, if not better.

In the past, we had a number of photographers who could not or would not move on - they weren't prepared or couldn't evolve and improve their technique along with the majority. Whatever else happens, some people are getting better at this game all the time, and it is they who as a side effect raise the bar. However, it isn't the kit that matters, its how you use it and whether you are prepared to go out there and try to improve what you do.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Sun May 04, 2003 9:20 pm

Having a 2000$ scanner isn't going to help you much if you don't know how to use it properly. Same with an expensive camera, the slide might look great, but if you suck at scanning, the end result will suck too.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 12:30 am

"It maybe possible for some to succeed especially if the motiv of the shot outweighs the scan however I'm not telling anyone shooting film to just give up - it's not you. Its the nature of the scan process.

Sorry, I'm biased - totally sold on digital quality."


Sorry, Bruce, with all due respect, I don't buy it. The reason I don't is that my acceptance rate has increased after I purchased my new film camera. Digital quality is good, but you can still get excellent results with scanned slides, as others have already noted.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 1:30 am

Having a 2000$ scanner isn't going to help you much if you don't know how to use it properly

Seen plenty of evidence to suggest this equally applies to DSLRs!

Cheers,

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Mon May 05, 2003 1:37 am

Yep, same with DSLR's. What I had in mind were experienced photographers with high-end equipment, who take great photos, but obviously don't know how to scan them properly. Then they whine about the high standards here, sure the photos are nice, too bad they don't know how to scan them with their expensive scanners.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 2:52 am

Hellow,

May I kindly plug some pictures from my collection, ALL taken with a $100 old manual Praktica camera.... Innocent
And, as I stated somewhere before, my lenses were in the range of $40 to $150....

For a scanner I use the Minolta dual III, $200.

Strangely enough my newer slides get easier rejected ( kodak ectachrome 100 ). Old fuji and kodakslides does look indeed better when scanned with the same principals.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 4:12 am

Okay, so here is a question.

If it isn't a question of film versus digital and many people say it is a question of the process of scanning, lets get some scanning tips.

I have an HP PhotoSmart Slide Scanner and I've been getting PLENTY of rejection notices from this site. So many in fact, that I've quit uploading to this site. I basically said to myself, "To hell with A.net, I'll upload my slides somewhere else" !!

I also want to emphasize what I am NOT saying. I am not saying that I am a great photographer, never have, never will. Yet I think I am good enough to upload shots on this site and get them accepted, but all of a sudden I just started getting tons and tons of rejections. Yes, in the past, I also received rejections, but I also had shots accepted too; which is why I kept uploading. Yes, I'd like "all my shots" accepted, but I know that isn't going to happen, especially since Joe Pries even gets rejected at times. Which makes me believe, "There is a God" !! ha ha, just a joke and slight jab at my good friend Joe!

But I would really appreciate any tips and/or hints to making my scanning process a higher quality. I shoot only slide film and use professional Canon equipment, so I must be doing something wrong in the scanning process. Heck, I even e-mailed Richard Silagi about a year ago and asked him for scanning tips. I had been following his instructions more or less to a "T", yet I started to get rejections after the "digital" flood-gates opened.

I am NOT going to buy a $300 to $700 digital camera just to shoot digital. I've got my eye on the digital camera I want. I'm only about $7000.00 short of cash to purchase it. Hopefully, it will come down in price in a year or two, when Canon then announces the newest, "latest and greatest".

So in the spirit of helpfulness on this forum, lets here some scanning tips for making my slides "worthy" of acceptance to this site.

As I said, I have an HP PhotoSmart Slide Scanner..............

Send me your tips..............


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Mon May 05, 2003 4:37 am

OK Jay, I used to have a Photosmart, and have shots here scanned using it.

Lesson number one is that the HP software is, frankly, rubbish - ok, it can capture a scan but that's about it. HP designed this scanner to include in their PCs so people could email snapshots to each other - the software was designed for ease of use, not scanning accuracy. HP created a very good bit of hardware, then crippled it with crap software. That's the bad news. The good news is that the "hidden" strengths of the HP can be accessed with 3rd party software - this is why the famous Vuescan software was created.

I haven't checked the site recently (www.hammrick.com) but I believe this will cost you $40 - also make sure the Photosmart is still being supported.

Lesson 2. The object of a scan is not to produce a finished image, but to extract as much data (as wide a dynamic range and colour data) as possible from the source. It doesn't matter if the colour is not exactly right at this stage, or if it looks a bit dark - all that matters is that you have got the true black and white points captured.

Making the image look right is lesson 3, and for this you need Photoshop, Photoelements, GIMP (free) or similar. No scanning software in the world (including the hideously expensive SilverFast) can match Photoshop for adjusting images provided you give it good source data to start with (see Lesson 2).

To use Photoshop well you need to learn and understand only 3 controls. Levels, curves and USM sharpening.

If this is all familiar stuff to you, I apologise - I'm just not sure what you're doing now. If some of this is new to you, be prepared to spend a bit of time learning how to process images - the HP software does not let you do this - its a toy which prevents you make a complete hash of the scan, but also stops you from realising the scanners full potential. There are no short cuts to quality, you will have to learn the proper tools.

Cheers,

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Mon May 05, 2003 4:47 am

Ok, I use a Minolta Scan Dual II with VueScan and here's what I do!
First of all, the slide has to be top notch, or I don't bother scanning it.

In Vuescan I set the black and white point accordingly, I also try to get the colour balance as good as possible, it's difficult to get spot on so I'll do minor adjustments in PS later. Then I scan!

In Photoshop I rotate if needed and crop away the black border. Then clone away any dustspots and scratches. I then adjust the levels to give the image a little more contrast if needed. I then correct the colour balance. No autolevels and autocolour, that is no good!

I then resize to 1024 wide and apply unsharp mask, usually 0.2-0.5 radius, and amount will be somewhere between 70 and 200, threshold 0.

If there is much noise visible in the image, sharpening will make it worse, so a good way to avoid noise in the sky is to mask it away with the magic wand tool before using unsharp mask. The last step to give the image the final touch by using the sharpen tool and sharpen a few details such as landing gear, landing lights and engine nacelles.

I spend alot of time when I scan, probably about 20-25 minutes per photo on average.

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Mon May 05, 2003 6:30 am

Okay, I've got lots of questions for you both.

I have Photoshop 7.0, so I guess I don't have to worry about the HP crap software that came with it. What I am having trouble with now is getting the silly scanner to even WORK !! I just changed over to Windows XP Professional and for the life of me, I cannot get the scanner to work. I did a search for XP software and bugs for it and found a great solution called PS2 or something like that. A guy developed his own software for the scanner and it makes every scan a tif image I believe???? I was using it just fine, until I had to format my hard drive. Now I can't get my computer to recognize the scanner. With that being said, would VueScan help me with my scanner problems? I already have VuePrint so I know what good software Ed Hammrick has, but will this software solve my scanner problem?

I am not that familiar with levels and curves with Photoshop.
I am familiar with the unsharp mask (what a confusing name for it !!) as
Richard Silagi has helped me with that issue..........I do go to
"auto levels" and "auto colors" after scanning a slide. Would you continue to recommend that I do that or not?

Thanks guys for the tips! If I could ever get my scanner to work again, I'll try and upload some new shots.

Jay
 
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Mon May 05, 2003 6:55 am

I don't use XP or the Photosmart so I can't help you there, anyway, here are a few links that might help:

Curves - http://www.scantips.com/curve.html

Levels - http://www.scantips.com/simple1b.html

Stop using the auto levels and auto colours, they don't get it right most of the time. For the colours, play around in the colour balance box, you'll get the hang of it pretty fast.
Actually the name unsharp mask is pretty logical. If I'm not mistaken, in the darkroom, you combined the original negative with a blurred positive to get the sharpening effect, or maybe it was the other way around.

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 6:56 am

Jay,

Check the HP website for updated drivers. It may be a zip file that you have to extract. If so, extract this to a folder on your desktop.

Then go to control panel>>system>>device manager and find the scanner - it may be under "Other Devices".

Double click it and select the driver tab and click the reinstall/install driver button. You will want to select the option for selecting a location on your hard drive - which you should point to the folder on your desktop that you extracted the zip file to.

If you cannot obtain XP driveres then you may want to look for Windows 2000 drivers, as these are basically the same.

Hope this helps, if you need anymore help with this shout.

Steve.
 
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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 6:57 am

Thanks for the tips Staffan.

Here is the link to that software I was mentioning earlier.

http://www.mecc.co.jp/lenik/psmart.htm

Pretty good program, if I could just figure out how I rigged the set-up to begin with while using XP. I had it working before I had to format my hard drive. I am having a problem with my SCSI driver (Diamond Multimedia). I've been to a number of Driver sites and still can't get my device manager to load up a driver for my SCSI card.


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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 7:02 am

Ahhh, its a SCSI interface scanner.

If you can shoot me the model number then I may be able to dig a driver up for ya.

Steve.
 
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Mon May 05, 2003 7:09 am

OK, AFAIK there are no XP drivers for the Photosmart, but Windows NT drivers should work fine (though you'll probably get the "unauthenticated software" warning message). That should get your scanner working again.

If you've got Vueprint, the licence is good for Vuescan as well, but you will need to sort the drivers out before proceeding - if you have a problem, just email Ed Hammrick - he is really helpful, and answered any problems I had within 24 hours!

The only challenging bit is to learn levels and curves - anyone who is anyway serious about digital imaging really must learn this stuff - its the ABC of image processing. Buy a Photoshop for Photographers book and spend a couple of weeks studying it. It is probably the best investment in time and money you can make - without it you'll forever be foundering in the dark. Its not rocket science, but you do need to fully understand what's going on - once you do all the power of PS falls into place and you can start making adjustments to acheive the result you want instead of playing around by trial and error.

Auto levels/auto colors - yes, and no. This is a classic garbage in, garbage out syndrome ... if you've done a very good job of your scan and really have got the white and black points just right, it can improve the image (though not necessarily optimise it). But the first thing auto levels does is arbitrarily set white and black points - they may not be what you expect and from then on you're in trouble. My personal rule is never to let the software make decisions where I can provide some "intellectual" input.

The thing to keep in mind is that scanning/processing is essentially a destrcutive process - every step alters or destroys data which can't be recovered ... and the effect is cumulative. A small error at the scan stage will be magnified through each step in processing - take full control over each step.

Cheers,

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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 7:32 am

Colin,

I already have the license for VuePrint, so that will be good.
You are exactly right. Ed is extremely helpful! I might give
him a shout.

I have tried and tried and tried to locate XP drivers for this scanner.
I've found some "Fireport" ones since it is a SCSI and cannot get it
to work. This is driving me crazy !!

I have Photoshop 7 for Photographers, also Photoshop 7: Photographers Guide and the Photoshop Bible (hardback). Guess I better give them a once over!
I am going to take a two day class in July or August on Photoshop for beginners. My friend's wife took it last year and she is now a Photoshop whiz! I really do appreciate all the help and answers everyone has given on this subject today.

Hopefully, I can get my scanner to work again, one of these days!


Jay
 
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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 7:44 am

Jay,
I'm not sure how this thread went from you claiming bias on A.net and that it was going all digital to finally admitting that your scanner wasn't working--! It doesn't seem to matter too much, because you are getting plenty of help and advice. The forum works.

All,
As far as expensive equipment, including scanners is concerned, recall that in a recent post I revealed that although the Fuji Frontier machine has limitations, I had 9 out of 10 of the economical scans from this machine accepted first try. Acceptance depends on a whole bunch of things. As a film shooter however, I admit some of the recent digital uploads seem to have a look and feel of their own, unlikely to be matched by film. As for the future.....we know one thing for certain, and that is change will happen.

I just had a reject today. It was shot back to me before I even finished uploading the four images I had been working on. Rejections are frustrating. You have spent time and effort and down the drain it goes. The first thing I did today was to put my feelings aside and take a close look at the image that just a few minutes earlier seemed so good to me. It WAS defective, with a gap in the upper right corner "Bad border". I worked another 20 minutes from the original TIFF file and uploaded it again without the defect. And yes, I'm sitting here hoping it doesn't get rejected for something else. The point here is that the screener was correct, it was a bad image. I cannot fault this process, in spite of the frustrations.

Thoughts on rejections. I'm no psychoanalyst, but for myself, one of the worst things I can do after receiving a reject is to look at other uploads. I ALWAYS find recent uploads that are in my opinion much worse than the one I just had rejected. Really sends me through the roof. But I also know this is human nature to feel this way. OK, in my opinion at the time the screener probably messed up by accepting this other persons "inferior" image, but there is nothing to be gained by trying to bring this subject up, I am too blinded by my own interests. Time to heed the common advice, "get over it." It takes me longer to do this than I would like, but eventually I do get over it.
 
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RE: Richard Silagi's Photos Removed From Airliners Db

Mon May 05, 2003 8:19 am

Peter wrote:
So your Minolta 2.1 MP does produce slides also and this for around 300 USD. Forget Nikon, Canon and whatever else and go for Minolta

Don't tell anyone, it's a special beta model that I'm testing  Smile Yeah, the "family" digital does get access to the airport everyone once in a while but trust me, i have about 5-6 slides of the exact same shot. I usually use the cheapie digital only for something that might need to get uploaded right away (like a Song Inaugural). I took 10 rolls of the Song Inaugural and about 5-6 shots on digital...I would still say I'm strictly slides  Big grin

Thanks for posting the photo Colin....

Mike

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