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Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 7:37 pm

I noticed the number of photos in the database today vs yesterday has decreased by some 900 (and the total views going down by 250,000).
Have older photos been removed or have some photographers left the site...?

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 7:44 pm

At least one said he was leaving and taking his photos with him due to the recent non-av forum developments... Pretty weird.
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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 8:30 pm

Sadly Tom Hildreth (TomH) has decided to leave A.net - from discussions with him, I understand that this was not simply due to a particular issue or problem (not that he doesn't have issues with A.net - who doesn't?!) - but after due consideration, he finds the service provided by A.net does not map particularly well to his interests, requirements and resources.

I for one will miss his contributions both in the databse and the forums, but respect the fact that he seems to have given his decision considerable thought. As one of his concerns is image misuse/piracy I can understand why he would want to withdraw his images rather than simply stop uploading.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 9:35 pm

the illegal use of our photos is becoming more of a problem. I too get more worried each day and get emails every so often alerting me to illegal corporate usage of my photos.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 10:06 pm

Its sad, but you know what they say, another one bites the dust.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 10:38 pm


For what it's worth I'd rather upload here and get shots used and/or abused than upload somewhere else where no one will ever see my shots.

My "bought and paid for" uses far outweigh any illegal uses and a real advantage of uploading here is knowing you guys are all out there looking out for me and each other. I am increasingly reassured that fewer and fewer abusers will get away with it because someone who uses this site will spot a shot and bring it to our attention. I reckon if we stick together we get stronger...

United we stand, divided we fall and all that!

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 10:43 pm

Man, that's really a shame. Tom had a lot of excellent oldie shots from the northeast and a lot of interesting black & white photos. I'm looking at the selection of photos from Hartford Bradley in the database--now it's down to just five photos from the 1970s. I understand his concerns, but this stinks! I wish I'd saved more of his images...

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 10:52 pm

The good thing is I don't really know the extent of illegal use.
I just hope it isn't too much. But like Dean says, the actual deals outweigh this concern for me for the time being.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 10:59 pm

you guys are right overall the legal usage outweighs the illegal, still it can be frustrating at times.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Thu May 22, 2003 11:22 pm

Dumb question, but is there no way the 'right click save as' could be logged? I know there are probably loads of ways around it and other ways of getting the images but at present there seems to be nothing but complaints. And surely something would be preferable to nothing.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Fri May 23, 2003 1:31 am

Please note that I said

one of his concerns is image misuse/piracy

I don't want him thinking he has been misrepresented - it was not that alone that made Tom decide to leave.

My "bought and paid for" uses far outweigh any illegal uses

... or at least, so you believe  Smile ... but yes, I'm inclined to agree that for me the benefits outweigh the risks ... I could keep all my images safe by letting no one see them, but where does that get me. I consider letting my pics out in the wild as a sort of loss-leader.

But situations vary ... I consider few of my images rare in any way - I can always go out and take more - they have no special market value. Genuinely rare/historical images are a slightly different matter as part of their value is simply lack of availablity - by placing such an image on A.net allowing for possible copying around the 'net would lower the market value of that image.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Fri May 23, 2003 3:39 am

>>Dumb question, but is there no way the 'right click save as' could be logged?

Not a dumb question, you can disable the right click function using Javascript, however you cannot log the save as behaviour.

The main problem is that by opening a picture you are storing it on your hard drive in the internet temporary cache.

I am working on a solution for a media house at the moment, utilising Flash to prevent saving of images. The problems with this are - there is nothing to stop someone taking a screenshot, and secondly, users need to have the Flash plugin.

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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Fri May 23, 2003 5:23 am

... or at least, so you believe ... but yes, I'm inclined to agree that for me the benefits outweigh the risks ... I could keep all my images safe by letting no one see them, but where does that get me. I consider letting my pics out in the wild as a sort of loss-leader.

I woldn't say loss leader, as I don't intend to sell them. You might have a slide night with your friends and your slide may be shared by no more than a dozen people, but this way several hundred or even thousands can see the fruits of your experience.

Original slides of older subjects are surely over priced, and I don't altogether understand the prices you have to pay top quality shots of comtemporary subjects either, as our hobby must primarily be about joy, not money.

Anyway, I'm sorry to see Tom and his images go. Lets hope that one day technology will find a way of securing his work, so it can be appreciated on some site or other.
 
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RE: Big Cleanup In The Database?

Fri May 23, 2003 5:47 am

Ray,
like any original art form, there are always people willing to pay good money for original art- original aircraft slides are no different than original ansel adams, renoir, bach, beethoven, etc etc. (except prices paid/demanded). All art has a monetary value to someone out there. You can rest assured that as the years go by the over-priced older slides will continue to be more and more overpriced, and you can additionally rest assured that there will be people who will pay those prices.

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