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Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:30 am

I've read that the only difference is in width. so I wonder can the narrow Type one card be inserted in Type II slot without getting too loose and losing contact
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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:46 am

If you have a Type II slot, then both Type I and Type II cards will fit without any problems. The reverse it NOT true: a Type I slot will only accept Type I cards.

Both Type I and Type II cards have very accurately manufactured guide rail channels. The card slot has corresponding guide rails - these ensure that the card goes in square and that the female electrical connector matches up precisely with the male pins in the slot.

The Type I card will not rattle around in a Type II slot !

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:07 am

And what are the other differences besides the width? More advanced, faster, more reliable etc...?

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:49 am

More expensive, lots more expensive  Laugh out loud

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:07 am

The only reason for a manufacturer to choose Type II when designing a new card is for packaging reasons. If they can fit everything into a Type I (3.3mm thick) package, then there is no reason to go to Type II (5mm thick).

Of course all IBM Microdrives were Type II. Almost all solid-state CF cards have been Type I until recently.

The very latest high-capacity CF cards announced by Pretec are Type II, I'm sure they had to go to Type II to fit everything in.

Just in case anybody is interested, the MRP of these new Pretec CF cards is:
3GB CF card = $1999
6GB CF card = $7499

... and don't forget that only the latest cameras can utilise the FAT32 file system, enabling the use of cards bigger than 2GB. If you have a D30 or D60 (which are limited to FAT16) there is no good dreaming of a 6GB card !!!

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:18 am

3GB CF card = $1999
6GB CF card = $7499


I'll take twenty of those.  Big grin Whats the point of buying a big card like that when you can easily get microdrives at $200 these days... I know some people like to have huge cards but if the card for some reason doesn't work anymore it must not be a pleasant experience...

I'm ready to bet that in five years time you can buy those for 10 or 15 times cheaper than today. If not well the marketing department of those companies will have done an excellent job...

Otherwise back to the subject I think the most important has been covered above...

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:19 am

If I had the money for a Canon 1Dx I'd probably be able to afford such a 6GB CF too, but for now a 10D and 512MB CF's will do fine for me, thanks...  Big grin

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:30 am

anyone who would gamble storing 6 gigs worth of mobile data in 1 place should have their head checked.
 
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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 6:07 pm

Hmmm...

3GB CF card = $1999
6GB CF card = $7499


or three 1GB CF card for less than $300 each, total less than $900, saving $1100 over a 3GB card
or six 1GB CF card for less than $300 each, total less than $1800, saving getting on for $6000 over a 6GB card
or a 20GB image tank for less than $300 too!

anyone who would gamble storing 6 gigs worth of mobile data in 1 place should have their head checked

Anyone who thinks those prices are a good deal wants their head checked!
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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:38 pm

Obviously not suitable for everyone, but I can imagine a number of situations where such a large card would be worth the money - for example, any nature photographer using remote setups and infrared triggers.

And once the "specialist" market has bought their fill the price will come down, just as it has for every other storage media.

Of course photographers are not the only ones using CF - it seems to be becoming a popular storage medium across a whole range of applications - I frequently "borrow" my CF from my camera to backup files on my laptop - arguably a 3 or 6gb CF could be a very effective method of, say, archiving large amounts of material - I suspect there is nothing else to match CF in terms of reliability and GB/square inch of physical storage space required.

Besides, 3GB isn't gonna look so big when we get up to 20mp class cameras.

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:52 pm

Why is it Colin can always find a logical and good reason for everything???

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:15 pm

Why is it Colin can always find a logical and good reason for everything

Except when explaining to my wife why I need 2 DSLRs  Smile

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:59 am

I should be so lucky... I can't even convince her of the need for 1!!!

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Fri Jul 04, 2003 2:56 am

If you need GB it is better to buy 1500$ laptop with 40GB than pay 7500US$ for 6GB card.
Sure it's heavy but it also has other uses.

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RE: Compact Flash Type I Vs Type II

Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:49 am

I completely agree that for us, those prices are crazy.

I'll bet though that some sports photographers will have them in their equipment just as soon as they are available. I worked with some photographers at Wimbledon (the tennis tournament) last week, and most Canon guys were using 1Ds cameras, shooting about 3-4 fps in RAW mode. That equates to about 450 shots on a 6GB card, or just 150 returns of the ball. Okay, that's enough for an entire match.

However, if these guys use 512MB cards then they must either change cards every 12(ish) returns, or use lower resolution or JPEG mode. The consequences of missing a crucial moment of the game, or having sub-optimal image quality is more than outweighed by "mere" money (for the lucky few).

Of course not all sports photographers are in such a position, but it's horses-for-courses. One thing aircraft photographers tend to have a lot of is - time between aircraft - this can usefully be consumed with copying files to laptops, digital storage devices, etc.

It is interesting that the consumer storage market (CD-R / DVD-R, etc) isn't really keeping up with these CF card sizes. Again, the press photographers are okay with their huge Sun servers running several Terrabytes (TB) of storage capacity. For those at home with increasing GB's of images to store, it won't be long before DVD-R's will start to look a little limited(!)

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